superangrypenguin

I'm going to disagree with you there. I highly doubt that YYZ SEA would become Rouged as that's basically a corporate plane for the tech firms in SEA. It's almost always full (at least the many many times I've flown it)

WR Cage

AC is retaining a dozen or so mainline A319s for missions like YYZ-SEA.

Another question is what will AC do with YYT-LHR. Domestic J cabin has more in common with premium economy than with international J cabin found on widebody aircraft. Perhaps YYT-LHR should be rouged.

ACfly

Perfect for YYT-LGW.. Rouged

WR Cage

Agreed 24L, the 77W seat map page is a mess. I would suggest that AC drop the distinction between North American and International seat maps and replace with a comment box on each respective sub page to eplain the PE vs PS for NA flights.

A further suggestion would be to add a subfleet on the main page for 77P and differentiate it with 77W. Similar to there are different pages for rouge and mainline 763 & 319.

why fly

since AC wont have 319 or E190, it will be difficult to fill a larger replacement plane to SEA. Although Rouge 319 might have as many seats as the newer larger 737?
So there are some tough decision coming for AC, with the new aircraft coming.

Also Y Rouge style seating will be on all 777 and 787 shortly, so tech firms are going to get used to Ryan Air quality very soon if they fly AC.

moorw003

I highly doubt that will happen. On paper it sounds a good idea... higher capacity, shortish flight and a price conscious Newfoundland public who now have 3 options (WS, TS and AC) when we used to only have one.

BUT, they sell the current flight up front as J, if they rouged it would be PY. J yields on this route, given it's just domestic spec are paradoxically high and full of revenue PAX. Unless they had a get out, where they could sell this layout as J and the rest of the non-NA flights as PY, they would lose money by introducing Rouge... partly because of the diminishing of J yeilds (on a route already established as the most expensive on the network, ex-LHR anyway)... but also because except in high season, Y usually isn't sold out either.

In addition, Rouge at LHR could also diminish the brand of mainline at their main non Canadian destination.

If AC decided to Rouge it and send it to Gatwick that would make a lot of sense however. Send all the high yielding passengers through Halifax, and provide everyone else the el-cheapo service to Gatport. That could make sense and I could certainly see it happening. Especially if AC did something similar to WestJet and added extra capacity into YYT on connector flights with the further advantage of opening up another Heathrow slot.

The problem is though, a lot of the YYT traffic is from Europe through Heathrow, so taking away that option then questions how much capacity would be required for the Gatwick flight. To make that work, you'd have to promote it as a Rouge connector onto the domestic network. It could work, but that's a lot of effort.

Status quo for the time being.

Tax Dude

Agree, I flew it again this year and it's definitely not International J. I remember some discussion from last year pointed out there's no Rouge base in YYT so it wouldn't be easy to re-brand. I see no reason why it can't be turned into PE, it's a lot closer to that product.

global happy traveller

Sorry for jumping into the conversation late in the game, but my two cents are probably as follows:

E190 probably be downloaded for Sky Regional to operate

Mainline E190s be replaced with 787 orders, which from the date of transfer would probably suggest early to mid 2016.

I'm thinking AC would do more major cities/markets, while Sky Regional continue operate on lower capacity routes (like the SEA).

As for Rouge - I'm guess those lower yielding and vacation like routes that wont necessitate mainline / conventional services.

The Lev

Obvious answer... CSeries.

Early delivery slots likely to open up if AC wants them.

nihonto

From my point of view, I am no fan of anyone, I care only now on an individual ticket if I got good value. I look at all these companies as the same, their goal is to charge me too much and underdeliver. My goal is to pay minimally and receive the best. And it varies plane by plane and airline by airline and route by route now.

One thing though, I flew Emirates once in economy. My first experience with 10 across, and to my recollection no such thing as slim line seats. Given having no room in which to breathe and slim line seat as a choice, I will pick the slim line seats.

Also, the video system has a ton of equipment which exists under the seats, so you're even crushed in this regard.

I never bought another Emirates ticket in economy nor would I ever do that again. I don't even consider Emirates for long haul as I can't afford to blow money on business class fares. The only time it makes sense to me is BKK to Hong Kong where they've dumped half the plane in BKK and the second leg can be had cheaply.

I don't understand anyone who loves Emirates. The staff are indeed great, but I will take a nice plane and hellish staff over nice staff and a hellish plane. I am more comfortable flying on an Air Asia plane than I am on Emirates.

bocastephen

Isn't that like exchanging one chocolate chip cookie....for another almost identical chocolate chip cookie...and then paying extra for the swap?

Stranger

Not at all.

E90 sits 94-97 in two class configuration. Engine is old inefficient technology, basically same as the CRJ, even inefficient compared with current versions of the 320/737 (not new generation).

CSeries: CS100 sits at least 108 in two classes, CS300 sits at least 130, more likely 135 in an AC sardine class configuration. Efficiency probably 25 better.

Plus all the signs are that AC is not terribly happy with the EMBs reliability.

bocastephen

I don't believe the Embraer engines are inefficient, quite the contrary - however I haven't followed the C-Series that closely (as I thought the model was DOA), but if they can get additional seats in a similar frame with similar or better efficiency, that would be a good thing - unless the C Series reliability as a new frame ends up being very poor and that will be a big unknown.

Stranger

They particularly are compared with the geared fan of the CSeries.

why fly

I thought the E90 have/or are coming out with a new more efficient plane? New E is perhaps not as good as the C series, but it would be risky buying the c-series now, when so many airlines have passed.
I assume the taxpayer will soon pay for C-series for Air Canada, and if the NDP get in thats a 1000% sure AC will get them for next to nothing because it looks like the NDP will sweep the Quebec province.