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At the end, the reason those flex fares are so much higher than the tango fares is because people buy them.
And the main reason for people buying flex fares are: 1) You get a ticket to participate in the R games (aka eUpgrade). 2) You receive 100% of your miles flown compared to 25% or 50% when flying tango. I highly doubt anyone buys a flex fare for its "flexibility". Many people I know are pissed at the price differential between flex and tango, and yet the majority of them still end up buying flex fares. So there ya go...flex is a good money maker for AC. You don't lower the price when something sells well. |
Originally Posted by superangrypenguin
(Post 25025431)
1) This requires an individual to make more than $200K. Not many people qualify.
If one does not qualify, go to the back of the queue. The same logic if the individual is not the greatest revenue and profit generator for AC, that individual should not be SE. |
Originally Posted by superangrypenguin
(Post 25025887)
Thanks for your reply. There are some benefits to WS gold - Zone 1 boarding, free changes in the "Rapidair equivalent" or w/e. One also gets more WS dollar for free flights.
The premise of your argument is that the benefits do not outweigh the costs. I'm not saying that corporate fliers usually fly WS, (although on our team it is), but I offer this food for thought. When a corporate flier flies Tango or Lowest fare on WS or Flex on WS or AC, that money is charged to the corporation and reimbursed. If one flies lowest fare as you mention, the flier would have to spend personal money to get some perks (the ones you mentioned), or the corporate flier can simply use company money (more) to get the same perks. I dunno about you, but what would the usual corporate flier do? I think it's obvious...now in your case, you mention that you would pay for an AMEX Plat for your fliers - good on you!, but that's not usually the case... |
Flex is not a product, it is a means of charging a co-pay for the use of eUpgrades. The differential is highest on FF-heavy routes like YVR-YYZ.
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Originally Posted by ridefar
(Post 25025997)
My company has a policy that a road warrior (and there are domestic and international definitions for that) gets Amex Plat or can expense a lounge access plan/card up to $500. So no personal money is required.
Originally Posted by Clipper801
(Post 25025988)
Gross annual household income, not individual.
If one does not qualify, go to the back of the queue. The same logic if the individual is not the greatest revenue and profit generator for AC, that individual should not be SE. |
Another dumb thread.
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Originally Posted by Bonaventure
(Post 25026068)
Another dumb thread.
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our policy would not allow purchasing of flex (added with this level of difference). i agree with the poster above. this will backfire. but then again, the uneducated canadian travel population goes gaga over their aeropesos as do many on these boards over status and could gladly stick an extra 600 bucks on a r/t ticket to their companies when they could easily book the tango ticket. i am sure they will come up with some excuse about the flexibility etc. all of which is hogcrap to get them more aeropesos.
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I think what some people forget is that Tango isn't just...a low priced regular fare. They are "SALE" fares. Sure most flights offer them, but that's because they want butts in the seats.
I agree, that in this case it's a bit ridiculous, but there's also lots of times if purchasing well in advance it's not much more. I just bought a YVR-LGA and JFK-YYZ for Feb. JFK-YYZ was only 20$ more for flex and YVR-LGA was bout $40 more. Normally I wouldn't even blink and buy the cheapest one. Flights within Canada earning only 25% though, and thinking I MAY want to upgrade/change it I took the Flex. For JFK-YYZ, I figured the $20 was better kept in my pocket. When it comes to a YVR-BOG route being $850 return on sale, that's a good price for me, doesn't get much cheaper on other airlines even on their sales. But the flex for that same route is likely going to be at least $1400...no thanks. Do I think the flex prices are always fair? No. But if that's the "full fare economy" price it's up to them to set it. If you don't like the price, shop elsewhere, if you don't like the price at that fare, pick a different one. You can't say you don't have options. End of the day, Tango prices aren't the bar-setting price. They are the "sale" price, once you change your thinking to that, I don't think this is as much of an issue. |
Originally Posted by superangrypenguin
(Post 25026050)
As I said, good on you, but that's not the case for most corporations, definitely not publicly traded ones.
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Originally Posted by ridefar
(Post 25028004)
Evidence, please.
If anyone else working for a corporation gets to expense an AMEX Plat or lounge card up to $500 or w/e, please speak up! Otherwise we will never know... |
I always buy Tango fare for domestic flight, and I agree with the OP that the price difference doesn't make sense, and also I do not have any status with AC. So buying the cheapo fare makes sense.
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Originally Posted by superangrypenguin
(Post 25028239)
Evidence otherwise, please. Ok, fine I have only spent "significant" amount of time with large multinational IT companies. An AMEX plat/lounge card is an unnecessary evil, a cost that shareholders could give a flying bleep about. Places like IBM make you fly Tango everywhere, if you're so lucky as to fly AC, and make you stay at some pretty bad hotels. I realize IBM is on one end, but still, travel isn't as luxurious for corporate employees as you might think (or see in your org).
If anyone else working for a corporation gets to expense an AMEX Plat or lounge card up to $500 or w/e, please speak up! Otherwise we will never know... |
A reminder that the thread topic is the price differential between AC fare types, not which CC members are carrying.
tcook052 AC Forum Moderator |
Originally Posted by drvannostren
(Post 25027973)
I think what some people forget is that Tango isn't just...a low priced regular fare. They are "SALE" fares. Sure most flights offer them, but that's because they want butts in the seats.
I agree, that in this case it's a bit ridiculous, but there's also lots of times if purchasing well in advance it's not much more. I just bought a YVR-LGA and JFK-YYZ for Feb. JFK-YYZ was only 20$ more for flex and YVR-LGA was bout $40 more. Normally I wouldn't even blink and buy the cheapest one. Flights within Canada earning only 25% though, and thinking I MAY want to upgrade/change it I took the Flex. For JFK-YYZ, I figured the $20 was better kept in my pocket. When it comes to a YVR-BOG route being $850 return on sale, that's a good price for me, doesn't get much cheaper on other airlines even on their sales. But the flex for that same route is likely going to be at least $1400...no thanks. Do I think the flex prices are always fair? No. But if that's the "full fare economy" price it's up to them to set it. If you don't like the price, shop elsewhere, if you don't like the price at that fare, pick a different one. You can't say you don't have options. End of the day, Tango prices aren't the bar-setting price. They are the "sale" price, once you change your thinking to that, I don't think this is as much of an issue. Tango isn't a one time sale price. It's a family of regularly filed fares offered on all mainline flights. It is the headline lowest economy fare that will be shown by all OTA search engines. Flex isn't full fare economy. That's Latitude, which is expensive but rightly so as it's a fully flexible ticket. Flex in fact has nearly identical restrictions to Tango, with one exception which is that it allows the use of eUpgrades. |
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