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Old Nov 6, 2014, 11:47 am
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Has anyone been able to tell which PE seats they are going to use? (the ones from the 787 or the 777). The 787 ones are better than the 777 ones IMO.

Also, the 5 777HD's that are being redone, are they redoing the PE so that it's the same as the 787 PE too?
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Old Nov 6, 2014, 12:39 pm
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Originally Posted by Sean Peever
Has anyone been able to tell which PE seats they are going to use? (the ones from the 787 or the 777). The 787 ones are better than the 777 ones IMO.

Also, the 5 777HD's that are being redone, are they redoing the PE so that it's the same as the 787 PE too?
One imagines it'll be the 787 standard. Remember, the 777HD seats weren't chosen by AC. Of course, to save money one could just keep the old HD seats but then they've only enough to put on the HD planes. So whatever they choose, it'll be a new seat. But they'll probably have to rip it out anyway, whilst J seat numbers will decrease, they can probably only likely fit 24 J seats, 28 at a stretch (NZ manAge it with similar seats) or so in the current front cabin and that's probably not enough to satisfy J paid demand.

I reckon you'll end up with 36 J, 32 PY and 332 Y.
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Old Nov 6, 2014, 12:43 pm
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Originally Posted by flybit
I assume this means the 777 will go 10 across in economy with 30" seat pitch
10 across, 31" seat pitch slimline should be config. for Y (30" pitch is the rouge widebody standard).
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Old Nov 6, 2014, 12:48 pm
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http://www.newswire.ca/en/story/1440...conomy-seating

Air Canada's new International Business Class cabin features up to 30 lie-flat Executive Pods on its Boeing 787-8 and -9 aircraft and up to 40 on Boeing 777-300ER and -200LR aircraft once converted, with an adjustable pneumatic cushion system that can be extended into a fully flat sleeping position.
Premium Economy features 21 seats on its Boeing 787 aircraft and, once converted, 24 on Boeing 777 aircraft and 21 seats on Airbus A330 aircraft.
These quotes seems to indicate:

- 787-9 will have 30 J, 21 PY
- 77W will have 40 J, 24 PY
- 330 will have 21 PY
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Old Nov 6, 2014, 12:57 pm
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Originally Posted by yvr76
http://www.newswire.ca/en/story/1440...conomy-seating





These quotes seems to indicate:

- 787-9 will have 30 J, 21 PY
- 77W will have 40 J, 24 PY
- 330 will have 21 PY
Actually, since the article says up to 40 on the 777 it could be that the 777-300 and 777-200 will have a different number? possibly.
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Old Nov 6, 2014, 1:07 pm
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Originally Posted by Sean Peever
Actually, since the article says up to 40 on the 777 it could be that the 777-300 and 777-200 will have a different number? possibly.
Doesn't the 77L normally operate on routes where J sells quite well (YVR-SYD/YYZ-HKG) and thus it would be profitable to have 40 seats?
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Old Nov 6, 2014, 1:08 pm
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Originally Posted by Sean Peever
Has anyone been able to tell which PE seats they are going to use? (the ones from the 787 or the 777). The 787 ones are better than the 777 ones IMO.

Also, the 5 777HD's that are being redone, are they redoing the PE so that it's the same as the 787 PE too?
Since there is an important difference in cabin width between the 787 and the 777, one would assume the PE would have 8 across on 777s and 7 across on the 787.
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Old Nov 6, 2014, 1:10 pm
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Originally Posted by Sean Peever
Actually, since the article says up to 40 on the 777 it could be that the 777-300 and 777-200 will have a different number? possibly.
Yes, certainly hints towards 30J for 789 and 40J for 77W are promising.

My guess is if the 77L has a different config, it'll be 30J to match the 789, making it possible to do aircraft swaps to long routes.
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Old Nov 6, 2014, 1:20 pm
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Originally Posted by Eternity000
Doesn't the 77L normally operate on routes where J sells quite well (YVR-SYD/YYZ-HKG) and thus it would be profitable to have 40 seats?
Because of MTOW restrictions (before the upgrade) I THINK the 77L was on those routes because it was the only plane that could do it without a load restriction.

I'm not entirely sure what the config will be, I am merely pointing out that the wording used for the difference between the 787-8 and 787-9 is the exact same wording used for the 777 line leading me to believe there could be a difference on the -200 vs the -300.
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Old Nov 6, 2014, 1:21 pm
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Originally Posted by yvr76
Yes, certainly hints towards 30J for 789 and 40J for 77W are promising.

My guess is if the 77L has a different config, it'll be 30J to match the 789, making it possible to do aircraft swaps to long routes.
If you look at the space between the first and second doors on the 772s, there isn't much room for more than maybe 1 more row, so I'll bet 28J. You need to fit PE somewhere and lord know there won't be a reduction in Y.

28J - 24PE and 250-ish Y ? (That's 25 rows of Y with 10 across)

Judging by the reduction in J from 767 to 787...
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Old Nov 6, 2014, 1:33 pm
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Originally Posted by PLeblond
Since there is an important difference in cabin width between the 787 and the 777, one would assume the PE would have 8 across on 777s and 7 across on the 787.
Probably 2x4x2 like in BR/AF/BA/CX..., though we can hope they go 2x3x2 like on TK.
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Old Nov 6, 2014, 1:36 pm
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Originally Posted by The Lev
Actually just over 400 - but still...
Yes. 400 y seats, but it seems there will still be two seperate 77W configs post refurb, these 2 new fins will be in the higher density version.
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Old Nov 6, 2014, 1:39 pm
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Originally Posted by Eternity000
Probably 2x4x2 like in BR/AF/BA/CX..., though we can hope they go 2x3x2 like on TK.
Current 77HD is 2-4-2. I don't see them changing the J AND the PE on the HDs, especially for less seats covering the same real estate.
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Old Nov 6, 2014, 1:41 pm
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Originally Posted by PLeblond
If you look at the space between the first and second doors on the 772s, there isn't much room for more than maybe 1 more row, so I'll bet 28J. You need to fit PE somewhere and lord know there won't be a reduction in Y.

28J - 24PE and 250-ish Y ? (That's 25 rows of Y with 10 across)

Judging by the reduction in J from 767 to 787...
28J is too low IMO, especially since Ben Smith stated in an earlier post that the number of J seats on the 777s will not materially change. They'll also be reducing seat pitch by 1" in Y with the slimline seats, so that's almost enough to put in another row.
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Old Nov 6, 2014, 1:46 pm
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Originally Posted by yvr76
28J is too low IMO, especially since Ben Smith stated in an earlier post that the number of J seats on the 777s will not materially change. They'll also be reducing seat pitch by 1" in Y with the slimline seats, so that's almost enough to put in another row.
Look at the current seat map and tell me where you going to put them? Unless the inverted herringbone seats take up less space that the current pods (they did fit 4 across on a narrower cabin 787 versus 3 across on 767 pods) I don't see them with more than 7 rows. Maybe fit an extra 2 middles where the galley is to 30?
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