Are you willing to pay the person in front not to recline?
May 24, 2013, 5:53 pm
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Whereas my back and, particularly, my neck will hurt if don't recline. Just because you prefer not use the recline doesn't mean that everyone does. And, sorry, it doesn't make me, "not nice," if I do recline -- it's unfortunate if a regular coach seat does provide you with sufficient room, but it's unreasonable to assume that I'll undertake physical discomfort for your benefit when you had other options available to you. You're the one with the special need, and it's your responsibility to accommodate it -- not mine.
It does seem to me PTravel, you sir have the special need!
Just found this post amusing... "I have bad back and neck" what most would classify loosely as having a condition or need, yet you lambaste the poster for having special need!
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May 24, 2013, 7:56 pm
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GF pointed me to this thread...
It does seem to me PTravel, you sir have the special need!
Just found this post amusing... "I have bad back and neck" what most would classify loosely as having a condition or need, yet you lambaste the poster for having special need!
POT meet KETTLE!!
Carry on!
And yes, we have no social life, and need to get out more!
It does seem to me PTravel, you sir have the special need!
Just found this post amusing... "I have bad back and neck" what most would classify loosely as having a condition or need, yet you lambaste the poster for having special need!
POT meet KETTLE!!
Carry on!
And yes, we have no social life, and need to get out more!
May 24, 2013, 10:54 pm
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Sometimes, I'm willing to take crappy seats to earn AQM at a rate of 2.7cpm. Except even there I can usually get exit row or bulkhead.
When my comfort actually matters, because I have things to do shortly after landing, I use my eUps. I've also purchased E+ on UA, and LMU on AC.
If the person behind me offered me money to not reclined, I wouldn't mind, but I also wouldn't feel a need to accept it.
I never recline unless I'm on a redeye. But after reading this thread, I'm starting to think I might recline, just so I might make $20
May 25, 2013, 8:46 am
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Obviously, I'm not going to deliberately squash your knees. However, you misstate my position, which is: if you have a special need, it is up to you to accommodate it, and it is not appropriate to impose on other passengers by interfering with their ability to enjoy the flight. You may not have had anything to do with being born tall, but neither did I, and absent an emergency, there is no reason why I should be disaccommodated because of it. Whether you are tall, obese, flying-phobic, traveling with children, or want to sit next to your partner, it is up to YOU, and not strangers, to ensure that this happens. If you feel the airline has treated you poorly by not accommodating your height, then your argument is with the airline, and not the person seated in front of you. If you can't sit comfortably in a standard coach seat, then you have the same options I do (my neck hurts me unless I recline, and I am slightly flying-phobic, so I need a window seat): you book a seat that will accommodate your need even if it costs you extra, or, if those seats are not available for when you want to travel, you book another flight or another airline. You (and I) do not assume we can simply impose on other passengers to ensure that our purely personal and special needs are met.
I don't know why this is such a difficult concept for so many people. No one has the right to impose on anyone else. Period.
I don't know why this is such a difficult concept for so many people. No one has the right to impose on anyone else. Period.
May 25, 2013, 9:18 am
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I typically try to refrain from reclining which the only times that I do recline is if the person if front of me has reclined and I need the space to work on my laptop or on a redeye. I do feel that it is the right of the person occupying the chair to be able to recline should they so choose. It is absolutely part of the service that they are paying for. Period. I think compensation is an interesting and fair way to approach it if you want the person in front of you to forego their right to recline.
That being said, there needs to be some etiquette when reclining the seat. First and foremost, it is 100% unnecessary to slam that seat back at warp speed. I personally have had THREE laptop screens catch and crack in the last two years. The seat, my friends, will recline all the same regardless of the speed you choose to engage at…
That being said, there needs to be some etiquette when reclining the seat. First and foremost, it is 100% unnecessary to slam that seat back at warp speed. I personally have had THREE laptop screens catch and crack in the last two years. The seat, my friends, will recline all the same regardless of the speed you choose to engage at…
May 25, 2013, 9:31 am
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Seat recline probably tops the list for on board "feuds", and have had to point out on more than one occasion that everybody who's purchased a seat has the right. We can only suggest that during the meal service that seatbacks be raised as a courtesy, and as somebody pointed out, it's how you recline that makes the difference.
May 25, 2013, 10:10 am
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Seat recline probably tops the list for on board "feuds", and have had to point out on more than one occasion that everybody who's purchased a seat has the right. We can only suggest that during the meal service that seatbacks be raised as a courtesy, and as somebody pointed out, it's how you recline that makes the difference.
May 25, 2013, 10:11 am
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This thread is a trip! The indignity of those who feel that their rights are being trampled (either the person reclining or the person suffering behind them).
The bottom line is that I never recline my own chair in economy if the pitch is tight as a courtesy to the individual behind me (assuming that the seat is occupied). In the event that someone in front of me doesn't have the same manners and the pitch is brutal, I have no qualms about helping them to be considerate (easy enough since my knees are already pressed against the seat in front of me). This is my right just as much as they have a right to recline.
SG
The bottom line is that I never recline my own chair in economy if the pitch is tight as a courtesy to the individual behind me (assuming that the seat is occupied). In the event that someone in front of me doesn't have the same manners and the pitch is brutal, I have no qualms about helping them to be considerate (easy enough since my knees are already pressed against the seat in front of me). This is my right just as much as they have a right to recline.
SG
May 25, 2013, 10:17 am
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That being said, people aren't usually asleep at that point. On a TATL or TPAC the meal starts not long after takeoff, then the 'snack before landing' is usually once people are done sleeping.
So it's usually...
- Takeoff
- Meal
- Sleep (for those who can)
- Snack
- Land
May 25, 2013, 11:21 am
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SOP's are non negotiable where safety is concerned, for comfort issues such as this thread, a little bit of flexibility and tact are allowable if required.
May 25, 2013, 12:22 pm
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That being said, there needs to be some etiquette when reclining the seat. First and foremost, it is 100% unnecessary to slam that seat back at warp speed. I personally have had THREE laptop screens catch and crack in the last two years. The seat, my friends, will recline all the same regardless of the speed you choose to engage at…
In the event that someone in front of me doesn't have the same manners and the pitch is brutal, I have no qualms about helping them to be considerate (easy enough since my knees are already pressed against the seat in front of me). This is my right just as much as they have a right to recline.
SG
SG
May 25, 2013, 1:02 pm
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The space into which my seat reclines is mine. It does not belong to the passenger behind me though they may think so because there is no hard visible dividing line. Other than my backwards moving seat.
Don't like feeling jammed? Recline your own seat. Or buy J.
Or feel free to pay the person in front to rent their space from them by having them sit straight up.
Don't like feeling jammed? Recline your own seat. Or buy J.
Or feel free to pay the person in front to rent their space from them by having them sit straight up.
May 25, 2013, 1:09 pm
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The bottom line is that I never recline my own chair in economy if the pitch is tight as a courtesy to the individual behind me (assuming that the seat is occupied). In the event that someone in front of me doesn't have the same manners and the pitch is brutal, I have no qualms about helping them to be considerate (easy enough since my knees are already pressed against the seat in front of me). This is my right just as much as they have a right to recline.
This is like a fat person at the window spilling into my seat being mad at me for not inserting myself halfway into the aisle. I bought my seat. I will use my seat. I will occupy it from side to side and back to front, I will raise and lower the headrest, I will recline it or sit vertically, this seat is mine.
If it affects you it's my choice about how I want to deal with that. If I choose to have discomfort so you can have comfort, then I'm a nice guy. However, it's not your right to make me suffer so you don't have to by taking away my right to use my equipment.
You can't turn off my reading light because you want to sleep.
You can't turn off my video because the show is not to your taste.
Similarly I can't make a screaming baby be disallowed from J (though I wish I could too).
If someone paid for that equipment, they have a right to use it.
May 25, 2013, 1:25 pm
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This thread is a trip! The indignity of those who feel that their rights are being trampled (either the person reclining or the person suffering behind them).
The bottom line is that I never recline my own chair in economy if the pitch is tight as a courtesy to the individual behind me (assuming that the seat is occupied). In the event that someone in front of me doesn't have the same manners and the pitch is brutal, I have no qualms about helping them to be considerate (easy enough since my knees are already pressed against the seat in front of me). This is my right just as much as they have a right to recline.
SG
The bottom line is that I never recline my own chair in economy if the pitch is tight as a courtesy to the individual behind me (assuming that the seat is occupied). In the event that someone in front of me doesn't have the same manners and the pitch is brutal, I have no qualms about helping them to be considerate (easy enough since my knees are already pressed against the seat in front of me). This is my right just as much as they have a right to recline.
SG
Yes, having a seat recline into does kinda suck and makes the flight a little more uncomfortable. This is a fact of flying and it will not change. People need to remember that flying is a privilege NOT a God given right....
May 25, 2013, 1:26 pm
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No, you bought a cheap seat with no space in it. That doesn't give you the option to take away someone else's right to use their equipment because you don't fit into your zone. Recline your own and deal or next time pay a premium for more space with another carrier or higher class.
This is like a fat person at the window spilling into my seat being mad at me for not inserting myself halfway into the aisle. I bought my seat. I will use my seat. I will occupy it from side to side and back to front, I will raise and lower the headrest, I will recline it or sit vertically, this seat is mine.
If it affects you it's my choice about how I want to deal with that. If I choose to have discomfort so you can have comfort, then I'm a nice guy. However, it's not your right to make me suffer so you don't have to by taking away my right to use my equipment.
You can't turn off my reading light because you want to sleep.
You can't turn off my video because the show is not to your taste.
Similarly I can't make a screaming baby be disallowed from J (though I wish I could too).
If someone paid for that equipment, they have a right to use it.
This is like a fat person at the window spilling into my seat being mad at me for not inserting myself halfway into the aisle. I bought my seat. I will use my seat. I will occupy it from side to side and back to front, I will raise and lower the headrest, I will recline it or sit vertically, this seat is mine.
If it affects you it's my choice about how I want to deal with that. If I choose to have discomfort so you can have comfort, then I'm a nice guy. However, it's not your right to make me suffer so you don't have to by taking away my right to use my equipment.
You can't turn off my reading light because you want to sleep.
You can't turn off my video because the show is not to your taste.
Similarly I can't make a screaming baby be disallowed from J (though I wish I could too).
If someone paid for that equipment, they have a right to use it.