Name on passpost matching ticket... question
I have never used my first name and have always gone by my second name. .. So my Aeroplan account is under "kodi smith' , as is my drivers licence and everything else, except my passport.
SO , as usual, my airline, aeroplan ticket has been issued under 'kodi smith'. I am flying internationally, and Air Canada is saying the ticket must match exactly to the passport. Aeroplan agrees, and wants to charge me $95 to change the name on my ticket. Do you think I should, or will 'kodi chase' be ok, as it usually is? |
I just went through this with AC and AE on a ticket for Mrs.acysb87.
The ticket was a revenue ticket that had the AE number on file,booked on-line . I called AE and had them change the name to reflect what was on passport.i.e.Air Canada had issued ticket under the name Miss acysb87 and they corrected to Mrs.acysb87.(another scenario could be Bob vs.Robert in a male situation) I then called AC to advise of the change and AC did the change on the spot and E-mailed me a copy of ticket to reflect the change at NO CHARGE.:) |
I travel between Canada and US and occationally UK. All my tickets have been issued in my middle name and last name (passport issued in First/middle/last name). I've never had a problem.
Oddly enough, I've had more questions when using my driver's license because Ontario uses only initials for the middle name. |
Interesting about AC. I called their websupport about a month ago and asked about the middle name on the ticket I was about to purchase. The woman I spoke to said she had not heard that the middle name or middle intial had to be on the ticket, in other words she said only the first and last name needed to be on the ticket, and then she said she flies all over the world on holidays and had never had a problem with just her first and last name on a ticket. At that point I told her that I was travelling to the USA and the TSA, (who most everyone know's) required the name exactly as it was on the passport. Her reply to me in a nasty voice was "who is the TSA" I responded telling her who the TSA was and what they do, her response was "well I don't work for the TSA I work for AC" at that point I realized that this woman was an idio..t, asked her name so I would have some reference in case I had a problem with ticketing, at that point she hung up on me. I was sort of surprised, but then again, I was dealing with AC.
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The USA is indeed a stickler for exact match of names.
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Get the name right just to be safe
Originally Posted by airbus320
(Post 12852401)
The USA is indeed a stickler for exact match of names.
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Originally Posted by airbus320
(Post 12852401)
The USA is indeed a stickler for exact match of names.
In hundreds of flights to the US and elsewhere, I have never yet been questioned about the difference, not by airlines, security staff, immigration or customs. |
As far as I can see from your post you have not mentioned which country you are travelling to . Some countries are more flexible than others with regard to 'obvious' name problems such as the middle name/first name swap , others are not . Back when I was in the industry I would always advise pax to ensure that the name on the ticket matched that on the passport , depending on where you are flying you may be better to bite the bullet and pay for the name change . Some countries permit ( or used to permit , I am not sure in these security conscious days whether they still do ) an endorsement in the passport to say 'also known as .......' does the country which issued your passport permit this ?
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Originally Posted by airbus320
(Post 12852401)
The USA is indeed a stickler for exact match of names.
Now, if your ticket says "Buzz Aldrin" and your passport says "Edwin Eugene Aldrin, Jr." (to pick a random example out of the air :)), you may need to be ready for an argument. |
I've never had a problem with name matching even though all my tickets are issued with just my first and last name, but my FF cards do have a middle initial. My passport has first and last name only, but my NEXUS card has my middle name. Since the NEXUS card is never looked at, it has never been in conflict with my passport, even when it was issued. And AE has never kicked up a problem by my not using the middle initial on my AC or any other airline tickets/flights.
I do suppose it is a major issue if you alternately make use of a first or middle name and there is an inconsistency as a result. |
In practical terms if your passport says Peter Michael Roberts and your ticket says Mike Roberts then the TSA is probably going to look at it and figure that you use Mike as a common name. If they question it and you have other documentation that shows that you use Mike all the time they would probably let you go. If, on the other hand, your passport says Peter Michael Roberts but your ticket says Pete Sampras you could have a problem.
The fact that there is a spot on the Nexus application to list nick names leads one to believe that they are aware that people often go by a short form of their name , however I don't think you would have much success convincing them that "Shooter" is an appropriate nick name for travel documents :D |
My first name is Marie-Therese but I go by Therese. Once, Aeroplan was tardy to credit the mileage accrued and when queried, I was told I did not use the full name on the ticket. The agent had booked me as Therese and my aeroplan says Marie-Therese! I was also told they were surprised I was allowed to fly with the shortened name! I had to forward documents to prove I was the same person!!
Pre 9/11, my tickets always read Therese only. |
Secure Flight: Air Canada now a participant
What was, was.
You can argue with Aeroplan all you want, however, if you intend to board a plane to/from/within the USA, be prepared to have your ticket/boarding pass match your official photo ID exactly: http://www.tsa.gov/what_we_do/layers/secureflight/ http://www.aircanada.com/en/travelin...ureflight.html |
Yes the Americans are easily excitable and very paranoid these days:rolleyes:
My real name is different from my common name which is different from my nick name. I have my passport in a formal name, my airline tickets in my common name and my credit cards and other stuff with my nick name. I don’t have problems with the homeland security as I talk fast and use big words and can easily confuse them and then say USA #1 and they let me through. :cool: My master plan is simple….if I ever mess up and I mean really mess up, I should be charged with my common name and then after the conviction I will appeal as they charged the wrong guy!!! :D:D |
Thank you all so much. I think I'll gamble on them having half a brain and let it go.
I am not doubting the use of a middle initial ... I don't think that's ever really a problem... well maybe it is if going to the US now. My middle name is very clearly on the ticket and passport... My passport says Jane Kodi Smith, my ticket says Kodi Smith I also can show my drivers licence that says Kodi Smith Kodi Smith is the name I use. My passport is the only document that lists my full name. Oh and my Ontario Health Card, because they insisted on using my full name against my wishes. I am going to South America, and won't be travelling through the US at all. |
Had to speak to AC this week about this very thing. I booked tickets for my son and his wife and kids. She has since had her passport changed into her married name. I spoke to them and had them change her ticket to her married name...no charge...but they still insist on seeing her marriage cert, don't understand why when she already produced it to get the new passport? We never use middle names on tickets. My husbands first name is Stephen and that is what his passport says...we always book in Steve...never had a problem yet...(touch wood)
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How about last name not matching?
A different twist on the same issue: I have a hyphenated last name totaling upwards of 20 characters. Most reservation systems run out of space at 20 characters, so for travel purposes (airline, hotel and car reservations, and associated loyalty programs) I only use the first part of my last name. My passports list the full, hyphenated last name.
With the notable one-time exception of a totally retarded and vicious UA check-in troll in PHL, in my hundreds of trips nobody ever gave me static about the second part missing on my reservation. |
I think there is this rule saying that the name on the Passport must mach the name on the ticket exaclty!
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The TSA link given earlier says this:
Small differences between the passenger's ID the passenger's reservation information, and the boarding pass (such as the use of a middle initial instead of a full middle name or no middle name/initial at all, hyphens or apostrophes) should not cause a problem for the passenger. http://www.tsa.gov/what_we_do/layers/secureflight/ So I will keep my first and last name the same (easy in my case), but not worry if I have a middle initial or middle name in one place and not the other. |
Originally Posted by Benlovesflying
(Post 12858796)
I think there is this rule saying that the name on the Passport must mach the name on the ticket exaclty!
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Check this one for fun I've been dealing with since submitting myself to the Corporate Travel Booking Portal
Full name = Adam Stewart Harrison. I never use the middle. System tries to book tickets as ADAM S. HARRISON Which morphs into HARRISON/ADAMS. Which, in the infinite wisdom of some computer thinks is a woman and strips off the title. So When I get to the airport I have to deal with my bpass saying HARRISON/ADA I have been able to talk my way out of it so far but someone is about to get unloaded upon at Corporate Travel :) |
Ok, I know this is an old thread.
But has anyone flown to the US recently(from Canada..with Cdn Passport.. on AC) without having the travel docs and passport name matching - in this specific case - the middle name missing My brother bought a ticket for his daughter with only the first and last name but not the two middle names.. So instead of example... Julie Jill Jules Jones , the ticket only says Julie Jones... would this be a problem? If it is a problem at the airport, would they be able to pay the $90 or whatever and get the full name in? |
Originally Posted by Ichinensei
(Post 13772291)
If it is a problem at the airport, would they be able to pay the $90 or whatever and get the full name in?
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Originally Posted by Ichinensei
(Post 13772291)
If it is a problem at the airport, would they be able to pay the $90 or whatever and get the full name in?
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Originally Posted by Ichinensei
(Post 13772291)
Ok, I know this is an old thread.
But has anyone flown to the US recently(from Canada..with Cdn Passport.. on AC) without having the travel docs and passport name matching - in this specific case - the middle name missing I will add that I did include the middle name on the TSA advance passenger information thing you fill out on the AC website though. |
Originally Posted by Ichinensei
(Post 13772291)
Ok, I know this is an old thread.
But has anyone flown to the US recently(from Canada..with Cdn Passport.. on AC) without having the travel docs and passport name matching - in this specific case - the middle name missing My brother bought a ticket for his daughter with only the first and last name but not the two middle names.. So instead of example... Julie Jill Jules Jones , the ticket only says Julie Jones... would this be a problem? If it is a problem at the airport, would they be able to pay the $90 or whatever and get the full name in? I never put my middle names on tickets, and have never had a problem to the states or elsewhere. |
Originally Posted by emma69
(Post 13776301)
I never put my middle names on tickets, and have never had a problem to the states or elsewhere.
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If your brother is flying with the child without the mother, make sure he has the necessary documentation giving permission.
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Originally Posted by emma69
(Post 13776782)
If your brother is flying with the child without the mother, make sure he has the necessary documentation giving permission.
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Alright for some isn't it! :D
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Originally Posted by emma69
(Post 13776782)
If your brother is flying with the child without the mother, make sure he has the necessary documentation giving permission.
My wife, goes by a different surname and has no ID with mine or the children's surname on it. In 100's of trips with the kids across the border both with and without my wife there's been no issue. When she's not there I've never been asked for a letter or documentation from her (although I normally take something but after the first couple of times never notarized). The only time I ever had an issue was one time she was with us. The immigration officer wanted some proof she was married to me and the children's mother. He went so far as taking my then 12 year old aside and out of site to ask if the woman I was with was her mother. Hugely traumatized my daughter with fear she would be taken from us. It was a good thing Disneyland was the other end of the trip. |
It is something at the front of my mind at the moment - a friend has asked if I will take her daughter on a trip with me to see her family in the UK. I am perfectly happy to do so (daughter is around 12, so not going to cause me any stress - I hope!) but wonder what the customs guys are going to think (unrelated woman with child in tow) I think I will ask the parents to come to the airport with me, just in case, and will have a document signed by both parents giving permission, there isn't really anything else I can do is there? Would a notarized document make a big difference do you think? If it would, not an issue - do they want an actual notary public or will the Canadian government definition of 'authorized person' like they use for PR card renewal, including school teachers, doctors etc do?
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Originally Posted by emma69
It is something at the front of my mind at the moment - a friend has asked if I will take her daughter on a trip with me to see her family in the UK. I am perfectly happy to do so (daughter is around 12, so not going to cause me any stress - I hope!) but wonder what the customs guys are going to think (unrelated woman with child in tow) I think I will ask the parents to come to the airport with me, just in case, and will have a document signed by both parents giving permission, there isn't really anything else I can do is there? Would a notarized document make a big difference do you think? If it would, not an issue - do they want an actual notary public or will the Canadian government definition of 'authorized person' like they use for PR card renewal, including school teachers, doctors etc do?
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Originally Posted by CdnFlier
(Post 13780510)
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For customs purposes a letter of that nature would be to be properly notarized (which means, I believe, lawyers, some bank managers, etc). Otherwise you shouldn't have too many problems - she's old enough to be able to answer questions from customs if they are concerned. |
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Originally Posted by Ichinensei
Originally Posted by CdnFlier
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For customs purposes a letter of that nature would be to be properly notarized (which means, I believe, lawyers, some bank managers, etc). Otherwise you shouldn't have too many problems - she's old enough to be able to answer questions from customs if they are concerned. |
Yes, I looked at the UM thing, but as I would need her released in to my care in the UK (to drive up to her grandparents) it probably won't help any. I'll tell them to get a notary public to sign the letter (and they I just need to remember not to lose it ;) ) keep things simple. Actually, on second glance, it seems that provided she is 12 she can fly alone - presumably that means she could fly 'with' me, (me keeping an eye on her, etc) but go through immigration in the UK and back to Canada, in front of me (so I know she is through ok!)
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Originally Posted by emma69
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Yes, I looked at the UM thing, but as I would need her released in to my care in the UK (to drive up to her grandparents) it probably won't help any. I'll tell them to get a notary public to sign the letter (and they I just need to remember not to lose it ;) ) keep things simple. Actually, on second glance, it seems that provided she is 12 she can fly alone - presumably that means she could fly 'with' me, (me keeping an eye on her, etc) but go through immigration in the UK and back to Canada, in front of me (so I know she is through ok!)
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Into UK - they had better not - I have one of the fancy new British passports and everything!!!!!!!! They even let me use the 'self serve' passport reading machine!
Coming back, her folks will be at YYZ! It is a strategy our teachers employed on visits overseas - send the kids through first, their theory being the government of whichever country would have to decide to let them through as well, or risk hoardes of school children abandoned in their country! |
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Originally Posted by emma69
(Post 13783577)
it seems that provided she is 12 she can fly alone - presumably that means she could fly 'with' me, (me keeping an eye on her, etc) but go through immigration in the UK and back to Canada, in front of me (so I know she is through ok!)
Back when I was in high school in Summer 2001 (which makes me what, 15 at the time), a dozen of us went to Japan for an exchange trip. Instead of returning with everyone, I took a detour to visit my parents in Taiwan. This caused me to fly alone on my return to Canada and oh gawd did they give me hell at YVR. So considering that I was hassled as a 15y/o male, imagine what type of inconvenience she'll get as a 12 y/o female! |
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