Planning our South Africa trip
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yes... I rented from Avis, be sure to do it before you leave the USA...not that expensive, expecially if you can drive a manual transmission... if you drive automatic only, be prepared to pay 2-3 times the price...just like in every other country except the USA...
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by bp888:
How do I travel to Melelane from JNB airport?</font>
How do I travel to Melelane from JNB airport?</font>
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Can you also tell me more about the game rides given by KNP? What kind of prices are we looking at? (Just trying to factor in all the costs if I do the safari logistics myself versus an all-inclusive package like the one Southern Eagle offers.</font>
SANParks offers a host of activities, including morning and afternoon walks, mountain biking, 4x4 trails, night drives, etc. These depart from the restcamps inside the park. However, in the case restcamps situated close to park gates (i.e. Orpen, Crocodile Bridge), participants can in certain cases be picked up at the park gate as well. Prices vary from 80 to 460 Rand, depending on the activity.
March is towards the end of the rainy season, when game viewing is at its most difficult due to high grass, thick vegetation and dispersed wildlife. If possible, allow at least four days for game viewing. Remember that rain could spoil one or more game drives. This particular rainy season has been very dry until just over a week ago, when southern Kruger (Malelane is in the very southwest) experienced a deluge. For example, Lower Sabie got 224 mm of rain in one day!
The rates for private game lodges vary considerably, form just over 1,000 Rand per person per night sharing (e.g. Gomo Gomo in the Timbavati) to 6,800 Rand (e.g. Singita and Singita Lebombo) or more. More money buys your more luxury, but not necessarily better game viewing.
Let me know if you have further questions, I am well familiar with Kruger and the adjacent private game reserves.
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A couple of comments:
If you drive the Cape, coming up/down the east side you will likely encounter a bunch of apes panhandling for food. Do NOT open your window to feed/pet/photograph them. They are notorious for all sorts of mayhem including ripping mirrors and antennas off of cars.
Alternative from JNB to CPT is Rovos Rail. Luxury rail travel using restored rail cars.
Expensive but relaxing. Good food and scenery (although some expanses are a bit boring). They even have googles to keep soot out of your face if you are looking out the window. Stops in Kimberly and you can see the huge pit created by the diamond mining operations...
There is also the Blue Train. Also well regarded. Less expensive & luxurious than Rovos Rail but faster too.
Kruger: I've been to the best (Singita) and the budget. Commair flight/tour from JNB to Skukuza when that service was still available. Gamewise there is indeed (as others have said) not much difference in the quality of the game viewing.
My top experience was a pride of lions walking around our open Land Rover with nothing separating us from them except about one yard of air....wow.
No matter what tour you take, if it's an open vehicle, make sure you have a hat, sunscreen (ozone layer is getting thin similar to Australia) and raingear.
If you get the chance there is a a restaurant between Pretoria and Joburg called the Station (as I recall). It is a huge buffet (100+ dishes) of different African dishes....zebra stew, croc fritters, etc.
If you drive the Cape, coming up/down the east side you will likely encounter a bunch of apes panhandling for food. Do NOT open your window to feed/pet/photograph them. They are notorious for all sorts of mayhem including ripping mirrors and antennas off of cars.
Alternative from JNB to CPT is Rovos Rail. Luxury rail travel using restored rail cars.
Expensive but relaxing. Good food and scenery (although some expanses are a bit boring). They even have googles to keep soot out of your face if you are looking out the window. Stops in Kimberly and you can see the huge pit created by the diamond mining operations...
There is also the Blue Train. Also well regarded. Less expensive & luxurious than Rovos Rail but faster too.
Kruger: I've been to the best (Singita) and the budget. Commair flight/tour from JNB to Skukuza when that service was still available. Gamewise there is indeed (as others have said) not much difference in the quality of the game viewing.
My top experience was a pride of lions walking around our open Land Rover with nothing separating us from them except about one yard of air....wow.
No matter what tour you take, if it's an open vehicle, make sure you have a hat, sunscreen (ozone layer is getting thin similar to Australia) and raingear.
If you get the chance there is a a restaurant between Pretoria and Joburg called the Station (as I recall). It is a huge buffet (100+ dishes) of different African dishes....zebra stew, croc fritters, etc.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by CVO 1K 2 Million:
No matter what tour you take, if it's an open vehicle, make sure you have a hat, sunscreen (ozone layer is getting thin similar to Australia) and raingear.</font>
No matter what tour you take, if it's an open vehicle, make sure you have a hat, sunscreen (ozone layer is getting thin similar to Australia) and raingear.</font>
On the subject of weather. The South African lowveld, for a number of reasons, in summer occasionally experiences conditions charactarized by low cloud cover; rain or drizzle off and on; and often strong winds, that settles in and persists for several days, sometimes longer. For some peculiar reason, tourist brochures never mention this.
The most important item to bring is a pair of good binoculars. A pair per person would be even better. Kruger is not a zoo, the animals are not always close to the vehicle.
I would also recommend a small but powerful flashlight. Power failures occur, and although most lodges provide flashlights, they usually try to replace the batteries at the last possible moment.
Purchasing a mammal field guide upon arrival (CNA or Exclusive Books at the airport) is also recommended. Game viewing is more enjoyable if you know what animals to expect, how they look, and a bit about their behavior.
johan
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Two more quick question:
How much time should we allow at JNB to clear customs, collect our bags, get ZAR money at the ATM, scoot over (or is it a hike?) to the domestic terminal for our flight to CPT?
We'll be renting a car in Cape Town. We have the option of having a car the whole time we're there (i.e. pick-up the rental car at CPT on arrival and return on departure) or skip the days of arrival and departure from our car rental period and use taxi and/or hotel car service from/to JNB? Any thoughts?
Thanks!
How much time should we allow at JNB to clear customs, collect our bags, get ZAR money at the ATM, scoot over (or is it a hike?) to the domestic terminal for our flight to CPT?
We'll be renting a car in Cape Town. We have the option of having a car the whole time we're there (i.e. pick-up the rental car at CPT on arrival and return on departure) or skip the days of arrival and departure from our car rental period and use taxi and/or hotel car service from/to JNB? Any thoughts?
Thanks!
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by bp888:
How much time should we allow at JNB to clear customs, collect our bags, get ZAR money at the ATM, scoot over (or is it a hike?) to the domestic terminal for our flight to CPT?</font>
How much time should we allow at JNB to clear customs, collect our bags, get ZAR money at the ATM, scoot over (or is it a hike?) to the domestic terminal for our flight to CPT?</font>
Another option is to use the second arrival terminal. If the one is busy, the other is usually is not. This is only a good idea if you are familiar with JNB and know your way around.
My experience with claiming bags is very limited, I haven't checked any to JNB for years. I recall a long wait once, when my bag was the very last on the belt.
There are several ATMs in the arrivals hall, it is unusual to have to wait for one to become available.
The trek to the new domestic terminal is indeed a longish one, allow at least ten minutes. For most of the way you are poorly protected from the elements.If you have a lot of luggage, use a porter. The official ones are dressed in orange, and the rate is 5 Rand per bag.
johan
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Johan, thanks so much for your invaluable suggestions and tips. You sure know South Africa really well.
We're arriving at 0635. Are we going to be safe allowing 2-1/2 hours for all arrival formalities and catch a JNB-CPT flight at 0900? We have total flexibility with the domestic flight. I just want to know how long to allow for. Don't want to cut too close but don't want to wait too long for our onward flight either.
Excellent suggestion.
We'll be sure to use a porter. Hopefully, they'll be around at that early hour. I read in another thread that there are some aggressive touts outside the international terminal on the way to the domestic terminal so a porter would I'm sure be able to shoo them away. But then again, it may be too early for the touts also.
Now, I've got a few more questions:
1. For our JNB-CPT flight, I've looked at BA/Comair, SAA and Kulala and they all seem to be in the same ballpark pricewise. Schedules are also pretty convenient. Don't know their safety records, cabin comfort, inflight service, etc. Since you're an expert, do you have any preference among the domestic airlines?
2. We will be renting a car for moving about in Cape Town and environs. We could start the car rental upon arrival or would we be smarter to take a taxi or hotel car from CPT to our hotel (ArebellaSheraton) on the day of arrival? I ask this question because there are some airports (specially in Asia) where renting a car upon arrival is decidedly not advised because of the rental setup, e.g. long, circuitous hike from terminal to rental car parking lot. Not fun when you just arrived at a strange city with big suitcases to schlep around.
3. Perhaps I could expand on the car rental question and ask it this way: Do we even need a car for moving about in Cape Town? I'm sure we would want to have a car when we visit the cape, the wine country or the garden route. But for doing the usual touristy stuff within the city limits, is a car an added convenience or a nuisance? Again, based on the Asian cities I've visited, having a car is definitely not advised for a tourist -- local driving conditions, language barrier with signs, etc. This is specially true in urban settings like Tokyo, Beijing, Shanghai, Bangkok, Hong Kong, etc. The only time I really needed a rental car was in Bali.
Thank you so much for taking time to answer my questions.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by johan rebel:
The answer will depend on when you arrive at JNB. </font>
The answer will depend on when you arrive at JNB. </font>
We're arriving at 0635. Are we going to be safe allowing 2-1/2 hours for all arrival formalities and catch a JNB-CPT flight at 0900? We have total flexibility with the domestic flight. I just want to know how long to allow for. Don't want to cut too close but don't want to wait too long for our onward flight either.
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">One way of minimizing this is by making sure that you select the first non-SA Citizen/Resident line next to the counters for SA Citizens. The lines at the latter are usually much shorter, and as soon as they have been cleared officers will usually wave over people waiting in the next line.</font>
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">If you have a lot of luggage, use a porter. The official ones are dressed in orange, and the rate is 5 Rand per bag.
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Now, I've got a few more questions:
1. For our JNB-CPT flight, I've looked at BA/Comair, SAA and Kulala and they all seem to be in the same ballpark pricewise. Schedules are also pretty convenient. Don't know their safety records, cabin comfort, inflight service, etc. Since you're an expert, do you have any preference among the domestic airlines?
2. We will be renting a car for moving about in Cape Town and environs. We could start the car rental upon arrival or would we be smarter to take a taxi or hotel car from CPT to our hotel (ArebellaSheraton) on the day of arrival? I ask this question because there are some airports (specially in Asia) where renting a car upon arrival is decidedly not advised because of the rental setup, e.g. long, circuitous hike from terminal to rental car parking lot. Not fun when you just arrived at a strange city with big suitcases to schlep around.
3. Perhaps I could expand on the car rental question and ask it this way: Do we even need a car for moving about in Cape Town? I'm sure we would want to have a car when we visit the cape, the wine country or the garden route. But for doing the usual touristy stuff within the city limits, is a car an added convenience or a nuisance? Again, based on the Asian cities I've visited, having a car is definitely not advised for a tourist -- local driving conditions, language barrier with signs, etc. This is specially true in urban settings like Tokyo, Beijing, Shanghai, Bangkok, Hong Kong, etc. The only time I really needed a rental car was in Bali.
Thank you so much for taking time to answer my questions.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by bp888:
We're arriving at 0635. Are we going to be safe allowing 2-1/2 hours for all arrival formalities and catch a JNB-CPT flight at 0900? </font>
We're arriving at 0635. Are we going to be safe allowing 2-1/2 hours for all arrival formalities and catch a JNB-CPT flight at 0900? </font>
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">We'll be sure to use a porter. Hopefully, they'll be around at that early hour. </font>
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">I read in another thread that there are some aggressive touts outside the international terminal.</font>
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">But then again, it may be too early for the touts also.</font>
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">For our JNB-CPT flight, I've looked at BA/Comair, SAA and Kulala and they all seem to be in the same ballpark pricewise. Schedules are also pretty convenient. Don't know their safety records, cabin comfort, inflight service, etc. Since you're an expert, do you have any preference among the domestic airlines? </font>
As far as aviation safetly in concerned, South Africa is a first world country, well-regulated and with an excellent record. BA/Comair and Kulula have older fleets, but I have never heard of any safety concerns.
Competition on the JNB-CPT route, already fierce, has increased recently when a new airline, 1Time , joined the fray. Tickets have never been cheaper. See :
Sky Wars Erupt in SA ( http://allafrica.com/stories/200401290564.html )
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">We will be renting a car for moving about in Cape Town and environs. We could start the car rental upon arrival or would we be smarter to take a taxi or hotel car from CPT to our hotel (ArebellaSheraton) on the day of arrival? Do we even need a car for moving about in Cape Town?</font>
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Thank you so much for taking time to answer my questions. </font>
johan
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by bp888:
1. For our JNB-CPT flight, I've looked at BA/Comair, SAA and Kulala and they all seem to be in the same ballpark pricewise. Schedules are also pretty convenient. Don't know their safety records, cabin comfort, inflight service, etc. Since you're an expert, do you have any preference among the domestic airlines?</font>
1. For our JNB-CPT flight, I've looked at BA/Comair, SAA and Kulala and they all seem to be in the same ballpark pricewise. Schedules are also pretty convenient. Don't know their safety records, cabin comfort, inflight service, etc. Since you're an expert, do you have any preference among the domestic airlines?</font>
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">2. We will be renting a car for moving about in Cape Town and environs. We could start the car rental upon arrival or would we be smarter to take a taxi or hotel car from CPT to our hotel (ArebellaSheraton) on the day of arrival? I ask this question because there are some airports (specially in Asia) where renting a car upon arrival is decidedly not advised because of the rental setup, e.g. long, circuitous hike from terminal to rental car parking lot. Not fun when you just arrived at a strange city with big suitcases to schlep around.
3. Perhaps I could expand on the car rental question and ask it this way: Do we even need a car for moving about in Cape Town? </font>
3. Perhaps I could expand on the car rental question and ask it this way: Do we even need a car for moving about in Cape Town? </font>
Picking up the car at the airport and then navigating the roads into the city is really quite easy, especially if you have one person driving and the other reading the map. Check on how much the Sheraton will charge you for parking, because you'll want to use the hotel's (guarded) lot.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by StudentExplorer:
BP . . .are you going to be spending any time in Jo'burg? If so, I do have some suggestions for things to do.
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BP . . .are you going to be spending any time in Jo'burg? If so, I do have some suggestions for things to do.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by StudentExplorer:
BP . . .are you going to be spending any time in Jo'burg? If so, I do have some suggestions for things to do.</font>
BP . . .are you going to be spending any time in Jo'burg? If so, I do have some suggestions for things to do.</font>
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I've just returned from a two-week trip to S Africa. We spent 2 nights in Jo'burg, flew to East London, and then took several days to drive to Cape Town.
1) Any airline will be adaquate. SAA is probably your best bet though - -they have a lot of frequencies.
2) There's plenty of good restaurants at V&A. We simply took a cab there every night for dinner. From the Sheraton, this will probably cost about $5. There's a movie theater inside the mall at Quay 5.
3) I booked EuropCar, which is a smaller outfit, but had good luck with them (except they require you to purchase their insurance). Get a BMW! It's fun to drive in SA. The car ran about $600 for 10 days, including insurance. There's a EuropCar desk in the Holidy Inn Waterfront. I suggest booking the car in advance.
4) Stay at Caesars or Sun City if you like to gamble. The wildlife park adjacent to Sun City was very interesting. We saw elephant, zebras, a snake, a croc, giraffe, warthogs, tortoise, lots of birds, etc. from our own car for almost nothing! I think it was about $8 per person.
5) Book the Safari in advance. Availability is limited on the "good stuff"
1) Any airline will be adaquate. SAA is probably your best bet though - -they have a lot of frequencies.
2) There's plenty of good restaurants at V&A. We simply took a cab there every night for dinner. From the Sheraton, this will probably cost about $5. There's a movie theater inside the mall at Quay 5.
3) I booked EuropCar, which is a smaller outfit, but had good luck with them (except they require you to purchase their insurance). Get a BMW! It's fun to drive in SA. The car ran about $600 for 10 days, including insurance. There's a EuropCar desk in the Holidy Inn Waterfront. I suggest booking the car in advance.
4) Stay at Caesars or Sun City if you like to gamble. The wildlife park adjacent to Sun City was very interesting. We saw elephant, zebras, a snake, a croc, giraffe, warthogs, tortoise, lots of birds, etc. from our own car for almost nothing! I think it was about $8 per person.
5) Book the Safari in advance. Availability is limited on the "good stuff"
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by bp888:
2. We will be renting a car for moving about in Cape Town and environs. We could start the car rental upon arrival or would we be smarter to take a taxi or hotel car from CPT to our hotel (ArebellaSheraton) on the day of arrival? I ask this question because there are some airports (specially in Asia) where renting a car upon arrival is decidedly not advised because of the rental setup, e.g. long, circuitous hike from terminal to rental car parking lot. Not fun when you just arrived at a strange city with big suitcases to schlep around.
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2. We will be renting a car for moving about in Cape Town and environs. We could start the car rental upon arrival or would we be smarter to take a taxi or hotel car from CPT to our hotel (ArebellaSheraton) on the day of arrival? I ask this question because there are some airports (specially in Asia) where renting a car upon arrival is decidedly not advised because of the rental setup, e.g. long, circuitous hike from terminal to rental car parking lot. Not fun when you just arrived at a strange city with big suitcases to schlep around.
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You need a car! Plan on spending 1-2 days wandering around on the Cape, 1 day in the winelands, etc. The road to Downtown from the airport is well marked and easy to drive. I was very surprised. Take your time and expect to make a few u-turns and you'll be fine.