Online payment problem for Kenya EVisa
#1
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Online payment problem for Kenya EVisa
I'm experiencing some frustration when trying to pay the processing fee for my Kenya Evisa using the required eCitizen platform. Each time I try paying with a US-issued Visa or Mastercard (Citi, Chase, and CapitalOne),the payment fails with a message to please use a card that has 3D Secure enabled. I contacted the payment processor help desk, and they responded that I should talk to my bank(s) to have that feature added/enabled.
I talked to these banks, they don't see the payment attempts, so that's consistent with the charge failing not because it's declined by the banks due to possible fraud, but rather because of the "3D Secure" requirement on the merchant side. The Chase fraud department representative I talked to said that they don't use 3D Secure and cannot add it to the card and that they, like other banks in the US, instead use Verified by Visa.
At this point I'm not quite sure how to proceed, but I imagine that there must be some workaround since I'm surely not the only traveler trying to use a US-issued card for paying for this service. Any insights would be appreciated.
I talked to these banks, they don't see the payment attempts, so that's consistent with the charge failing not because it's declined by the banks due to possible fraud, but rather because of the "3D Secure" requirement on the merchant side. The Chase fraud department representative I talked to said that they don't use 3D Secure and cannot add it to the card and that they, like other banks in the US, instead use Verified by Visa.
At this point I'm not quite sure how to proceed, but I imagine that there must be some workaround since I'm surely not the only traveler trying to use a US-issued card for paying for this service. Any insights would be appreciated.
#2
Join Date: Sep 2007
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I had the same problem with Chase when I tried to buy tickets from Kenya Airways. I eventually had to go through a travel agency (bravofly) to make the purchase.
When we got our evisas chase flagged the second visa as fraud, a call to customer service did let it go through. Maybe another call to customer service with a different rep?
When we got our evisas chase flagged the second visa as fraud, a call to customer service did let it go through. Maybe another call to customer service with a different rep?
#3
Join Date: Aug 2000
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I'm experiencing some frustration when trying to pay the processing fee for my Kenya Evisa using the required eCitizen platform. Each time I try paying with a US-issued Visa or Mastercard (Citi, Chase, and CapitalOne),the payment fails with a message to please use a card that has 3D Secure enabled. I contacted the payment processor help desk, and they responded that I should talk to my bank(s) to have that feature added/enabled.
I talked to these banks, they don't see the payment attempts, so that's consistent with the charge failing not because it's declined by the banks due to possible fraud, but rather because of the "3D Secure" requirement on the merchant side. The Chase fraud department representative I talked to said that they don't use 3D Secure and cannot add it to the card and that they, like other banks in the US, instead use Verified by Visa.
I talked to these banks, they don't see the payment attempts, so that's consistent with the charge failing not because it's declined by the banks due to possible fraud, but rather because of the "3D Secure" requirement on the merchant side. The Chase fraud department representative I talked to said that they don't use 3D Secure and cannot add it to the card and that they, like other banks in the US, instead use Verified by Visa.
Unfortunately most US issuers are simply not adopting the global standards which are becoming mandatory in much of the rest of the world and this problem is going to become widespread when trying to use US issued cards abroad in the future. Many big processors in Africa simply blacklist many US issuers because of this, especially in the travel sector where chargebacks can be significantly higher than average. Barclays is a notable exception and their cards are 3DS activated as a default.
#4
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Verified by Visa is just the Visa branding for their 3D-Secure service, so those two things are not anything different.
Unfortunately most US issuers are simply not adopting the global standards which are becoming mandatory in much of the rest of the world and this problem is going to become widespread when trying to use US issued cards abroad in the future. Many big processors in Africa simply blacklist many US issuers because of this, especially in the travel sector where chargebacks can be significantly higher than average. Barclays is a notable exception and their cards are 3DS activated as a default.
Unfortunately most US issuers are simply not adopting the global standards which are becoming mandatory in much of the rest of the world and this problem is going to become widespread when trying to use US issued cards abroad in the future. Many big processors in Africa simply blacklist many US issuers because of this, especially in the travel sector where chargebacks can be significantly higher than average. Barclays is a notable exception and their cards are 3DS activated as a default.
I reached out to the payment processor again so see if there is any workaround for me to use one of my cards for this payment - the two other options (KCB Cash and Equity Cash) seem to require going to a bank in Kenya which isn't really practical, either.
#5
Join Date: Aug 2000
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From my understand (a bit rudimentary as it is from the perspective of an Africa based vendor as explained to me by the processor), Chase does not actually enable VbV but rather bypasses it (ie. no actual 2FA method is used to verify the transaction). As a result, the chargeback risk remains with the vendor/processor rather than with the cardholder/issuer as would be the case in a properly verified transaction. Therefore, the processors simply blacklist all Chase issued cards from processing - they are rejected without even sending them through the network for approval by Chase.
#6
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Thanks for the responses.
I'm happy to report that after reading through the related discussion on this tripadvisor thread, I was able to use my US-issued Amex to complete the payment. I would never have thought of trying it because Amex isn't listed as one of the payment options, they only show Visa and MC on the credit card payment screen. But you can just type in your Amex info (using the four digits on the front as CVV of course) - the image showing the stylized card with your info as you type it in actually changes to an Amex logo. After hitting submit, the pop-up window that just showed "please used a 3D Secure card" when trying to use a Visa/MC now displayed "Amex Safekey" (which is their implementation of 3D Secure, I guess) for a while before the transaction was approved. I still wasn't asked for any 2FA from the Amex side, but I guess with this Amex card the payment request was actually sent on to the card issuer who approve it rather than being blocked outright by the vendor.
I'm happy to report that after reading through the related discussion on this tripadvisor thread, I was able to use my US-issued Amex to complete the payment. I would never have thought of trying it because Amex isn't listed as one of the payment options, they only show Visa and MC on the credit card payment screen. But you can just type in your Amex info (using the four digits on the front as CVV of course) - the image showing the stylized card with your info as you type it in actually changes to an Amex logo. After hitting submit, the pop-up window that just showed "please used a 3D Secure card" when trying to use a Visa/MC now displayed "Amex Safekey" (which is their implementation of 3D Secure, I guess) for a while before the transaction was approved. I still wasn't asked for any 2FA from the Amex side, but I guess with this Amex card the payment request was actually sent on to the card issuer who approve it rather than being blocked outright by the vendor.
#7
Join Date: Aug 2000
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Thanks for the responses. I'm happy to report that after reading through the related discussion on this tripadvisor thread, I was able to use my US-issued Amex to complete the payment. I would never have thought of trying it because Amex isn't listed as one of the payment options, they only show Visa and MC on the credit card payment screen. But you can just type in your Amex info (using the four digits on the front as CVV of course) - the image showing the stylized card with your info as you type it in actually changes to an Amex logo. After hitting submit, the pop-up window that just showed "please used a 3D Secure card" when trying to use a Visa/MC now displayed "Amex Safekey" (which is their implementation of 3D Secure, I guess) for a while before the transaction was approved. I still wasn't asked for any 2FA from the Amex side, but I guess with this Amex card the payment request was actually sent on to the card issuer who approve it rather than being blocked outright by the vendor.
#8
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Thanks for the responses.
I'm happy to report that after reading through the related discussion on this tripadvisor thread, I was able to use my US-issued Amex to complete the payment. I would never have thought of trying it because Amex isn't listed as one of the payment options, they only show Visa and MC on the credit card payment screen. But you can just type in your Amex info (using the four digits on the front as CVV of course) - the image showing the stylized card with your info as you type it in actually changes to an Amex logo. After hitting submit, the pop-up window that just showed "please used a 3D Secure card" when trying to use a Visa/MC now displayed "Amex Safekey" (which is their implementation of 3D Secure, I guess) for a while before the transaction was approved. I still wasn't asked for any 2FA from the Amex side, but I guess with this Amex card the payment request was actually sent on to the card issuer who approve it rather than being blocked outright by the vendor.
I'm happy to report that after reading through the related discussion on this tripadvisor thread, I was able to use my US-issued Amex to complete the payment. I would never have thought of trying it because Amex isn't listed as one of the payment options, they only show Visa and MC on the credit card payment screen. But you can just type in your Amex info (using the four digits on the front as CVV of course) - the image showing the stylized card with your info as you type it in actually changes to an Amex logo. After hitting submit, the pop-up window that just showed "please used a 3D Secure card" when trying to use a Visa/MC now displayed "Amex Safekey" (which is their implementation of 3D Secure, I guess) for a while before the transaction was approved. I still wasn't asked for any 2FA from the Amex side, but I guess with this Amex card the payment request was actually sent on to the card issuer who approve it rather than being blocked outright by the vendor.
#9
Join Date: Jul 2007
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So Frustrated
Just tried TWO Visa cards and BOTH said "Payment Failed". I called both credit card issuers and they don't even see a payment coming through. My Costco credit card they said is 3D enabled, etc. but the payment is not showing up on their end.
I am so upset to have this happen. Last year when applying for the eVisa it told me to call a number (which was a Visa number) and when I resubmitted the payment, the person on the other end saw it come through and they okayed it. NOT THIS TIME - no payment went through to either of the card issuers.
Those are the only two credit cards I use and I don't want to apply for a AMX card. Not knowing is that payment will not go through either.
As a note, today is "World Tourism Day" and on Facebook, Minister of Kenya Tourism Najib Balala posted a thing about this 'special' day. I replied (in so many ways), your department needs to get their stuff together to allow folks to make payments for their eVisa better.
I am in tears, not getting this to go through. The only other think I can think of is to have my safari ground operator go to a a KCB Bank in Nairobi and pay the fee for me.
I am so upset to have this happen. Last year when applying for the eVisa it told me to call a number (which was a Visa number) and when I resubmitted the payment, the person on the other end saw it come through and they okayed it. NOT THIS TIME - no payment went through to either of the card issuers.
Those are the only two credit cards I use and I don't want to apply for a AMX card. Not knowing is that payment will not go through either.
As a note, today is "World Tourism Day" and on Facebook, Minister of Kenya Tourism Najib Balala posted a thing about this 'special' day. I replied (in so many ways), your department needs to get their stuff together to allow folks to make payments for their eVisa better.
I am in tears, not getting this to go through. The only other think I can think of is to have my safari ground operator go to a a KCB Bank in Nairobi and pay the fee for me.
#10
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I am going to use Amex from now on, nowI have read this thread. I hadn't thought Amex was an option as the logo wasn't advertised.
Until now I have always had to use a visa broker when travelling through Kenya. There are loads online if you Google it and they are quick. Looks like I used ivisa.com last time. These visa brokers have their payment systems set up. The problem is they charge like twice the price of what the visa should cost if you buy it directly from the governmental site.
Kenya really should sort this out. I actively avoid Nairobi as a hub because of the visa issue. At least with the Amex trick the visa costs are not too bad now.
Until now I have always had to use a visa broker when travelling through Kenya. There are loads online if you Google it and they are quick. Looks like I used ivisa.com last time. These visa brokers have their payment systems set up. The problem is they charge like twice the price of what the visa should cost if you buy it directly from the governmental site.
Kenya really should sort this out. I actively avoid Nairobi as a hub because of the visa issue. At least with the Amex trick the visa costs are not too bad now.
#12
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Just a data point for you all
- Thursday 8:00am I applied for my visa (Kenya time)
- Using my Mastercard
- The Mastercard 3-D Secure window popped open, and I received a text message on my phone with the OTP to use
- Payment went through without a problem
- Friday 3:30pm I received an email from ecitizen.go.ke informing me my visa had been approved
- Went online and there it was
- The Visa fee totalled USD55.20 (standard tourist visa, Australian passport)
- Thursday 8:00am I applied for my visa (Kenya time)
- Using my Mastercard
- The Mastercard 3-D Secure window popped open, and I received a text message on my phone with the OTP to use
- Payment went through without a problem
- Friday 3:30pm I received an email from ecitizen.go.ke informing me my visa had been approved
- Went online and there it was
- The Visa fee totalled USD55.20 (standard tourist visa, Australian passport)
#13
Join Date: Aug 2000
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Posts: 15,656
The problem isn't the Kenya eVisa system but rather with your card issuer. They are the ones who need to get their act together and implement the basic 2FA systems that the rest of the world does.