Still 0% on LOT "F" fare?
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Still 0% on LOT "F" fare?
A good J fare on the Premium Fares forum with LO on SOF-SIN credits 150% to M&M but absolutely nada with A3. I know F is a new fare bucket for LOT but it seems A3 still credit nothing for it. What could be the reason?
A3 is very popular with Polish flyers as cheap Gold. Could it be a retaliation like M&M did with TK fares or is it just taking a while for this fare to be updated by A3.
Its interesting to note how nicely F credits to M&M. It's LO's cheapest possible fare and is 150% vs 100% for LH group P Class, lowest J fare.
A3 is very popular with Polish flyers as cheap Gold. Could it be a retaliation like M&M did with TK fares or is it just taking a while for this fare to be updated by A3.
Its interesting to note how nicely F credits to M&M. It's LO's cheapest possible fare and is 150% vs 100% for LH group P Class, lowest J fare.
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A good J fare on the Premium Fares forum with LO on SOF-SIN credits 150% to M&M but absolutely nada with A3. I know F is a new fare bucket for LOT but it seems A3 still credit nothing for it. What could be the reason?
A3 is very popular with Polish flyers as cheap Gold. Could it be a retaliation like M&M did with TK fares or is it just taking a while for this fare to be updated by A3.
Its interesting to note how nicely F credits to M&M. It's LO's cheapest possible fare and is 150% vs 100% for LH group P Class, lowest J fare.
A3 is very popular with Polish flyers as cheap Gold. Could it be a retaliation like M&M did with TK fares or is it just taking a while for this fare to be updated by A3.
Its interesting to note how nicely F credits to M&M. It's LO's cheapest possible fare and is 150% vs 100% for LH group P Class, lowest J fare.
It is true that A3G is among the relatively "cheap" *AGs, but it is not as "cheap" as it may may appear at a first glance, at least if you do not fly A3 regularly. First, the 4 segments one needs to fly on A3 to be eligible for the low mileage accrual requirement can be quite a hassle, especially for non-European residents, or even for Europeans living in cities where A3 does not have good/regular connections. In some cases it may take significant planning effort, and you may need to waste at least a day of your life for these four segments, as proved by the discussions in the dedicated thread in this forum.
That aside, what is perhaps more important is that non-A3 flights are heavily discounted, especially with "popular" airlines. With LH for example, low-level (but quite common) K, L, and T fares earn absolutely nothing, even on long-haul flights. UA is another example. Full-fare business J gives just 100%, equal to mid-economy fares (H or Q), although its price may be as high as eightfold in some cases! All SQ Premium Economy fares earn as much as SQ discounted economy (W). And the list goes on...
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1) F is a new fare bucket and the table hasn't been updated since 2015.
2) Star Alliance is renowned for being the only alliance for which discount business class fares on various member airlines earn 0% in several of the other member airlines' programmes.
Remember that Lufthansa "P" earns nothing in Miles + Bonus, so don't necessarily expect that LOT "F" will!
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Well, F is shown in the A3 table as non-earning. J is non-earning because I believe the most expensive flex class is C.
A3 is very popular with Polish flyers, A3 fly to WAW and also KRK so its easy for the segments and even the cheapest LO fares in U and O class earn 25%. This seems generous considering the cheapest LH group fares, L & K earn absolutely nothing. I would hope that given the generosity of LO to credit those buckets F might one day be also earning.
Obviously the reason why LH P is non-earning in A3 is the same reason why TK credits so crap to M&M.
A3 is very popular with Polish flyers, A3 fly to WAW and also KRK so its easy for the segments and even the cheapest LO fares in U and O class earn 25%. This seems generous considering the cheapest LH group fares, L & K earn absolutely nothing. I would hope that given the generosity of LO to credit those buckets F might one day be also earning.
Obviously the reason why LH P is non-earning in A3 is the same reason why TK credits so crap to M&M.
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Well, F is shown in the A3 table as non-earning. J is non-earning because I believe the most expensive flex class is C.
A3 is very popular with Polish flyers, A3 fly to WAW and also KRK so its easy for the segments and even the cheapest LO fares in U and O class earn 25%. This seems generous considering the cheapest LH group fares, L & K earn absolutely nothing. I would hope that given the generosity of LO to credit those buckets F might one day be also earning.
Obviously the reason why LH P is non-earning in A3 is the same reason why TK credits so crap to M&M.
A3 is very popular with Polish flyers, A3 fly to WAW and also KRK so its easy for the segments and even the cheapest LO fares in U and O class earn 25%. This seems generous considering the cheapest LH group fares, L & K earn absolutely nothing. I would hope that given the generosity of LO to credit those buckets F might one day be also earning.
Obviously the reason why LH P is non-earning in A3 is the same reason why TK credits so crap to M&M.
LO/F itself is a new business saver (discounted) fare, created at the start of this year. It's similar to the godforsaken 'P' of LH (actually, nothing could be as bad as that). It also earns zero on TG.
That's no longer true since Jan 20. 'W' now earns only 75% while PE earns either 125% (S,T) or 100% (P). In fact, 'W' was never discounted economy - it paid a full 100% alongside the likes of B and Y. The difference was that W was a sweet spot in the earnings table, you could often find W fares for almost the same price as discounted Y, which used to pay 50% but can now pay as little as 10%.
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That's no longer true since Jan 20. 'W' now earns only 75% while PE earns either 125% (S,T) or 100% (P). In fact, 'W' was never discounted economy - it paid a full 100% alongside the likes of B and Y. The difference was that W was a sweet spot in the earnings table, you could often find W fares for almost the same price as discounted Y, which used to pay 50% but can now pay as little as 10%.
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According to A3's website all PE fares earn 100% on M&B, as much as W (which is indeed considered a "mid-level" Econ fare. By "discounted" I meant "not full-fare", perhaps it was not the right term, thanks for that. Only B,E,Y are considered full-fare on SQ, and as you said, Q is usually much cheaper than those.) But actually discounted / heavily discounted Econ (N,Q / K,V) earn no miles on M&B, while on other FFPs (EB for example) give 50%/10% which can make some nontrivial accrual on long-haul, especially when multiple segments are involved.
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The reason TK credits so "crap" to M&M is that Lufthansa's hackles are up for the moves that TK made in the Germany market. LH sees TK as an aggressive competitor, and not one that it wishes to reward its flyers for defecting to (so you'd think they'd make their programme more palatable ).
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I'm gonna make a really wild guess that he's not talking about Wamos, but in SAS EuroBonus.
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I think the sweet spot for mileage earning with A3 are Air Canada, ANA, Avianca, Croatia, Ethiopian, South African, SAS and UA. With almost all revenue class earning miles and most 100% and above. LOT is not too bad neither but slightly worse than above airlines.