Originally Posted by
Inthewind
My point exactly...it's disgusting to me with everything else going on in the world today that you think being detained for 25 minutes is a civil liberty injustice.
Why don't we let everyone fly without ID so even the terrorists can have their privacy! Free movement and association? Are you kidding me?
And so where should one draw the line? Let's look at the First Amendment:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
The US Supreme Court has said that the freedom of travel is part of the First Amendment and the right to association is part of freedom of speech contained in the First Amendment. So no, we are not kidding you. If you want to check ID at the airport, why shouldn't the government be able to check your ID while you are walking on a public street?
Originally Posted by
Inthewind
You know what has me so worked up about this post? It's that most of you complaining about being inconvenienced...having to wait a few extra minutes to get to your first class seat so you can get a free drink in your hand, take your freedoms for granted.
Sorry if I take offense to your minimizing the importance of remembering the deaths of Americans and lessons learned. I bet you'd feel real good if your rantings about inconvenience reduced security enough to let it happen again.
The feeling is that people don't mind being "inconvenienced" if it promotes true security and is not a violation of one's constitutional rights. But in this case, the ID requirement does not enhance security and is heading down a slippery slope of what the government is permitted to do. You have to understand that the security that we have in checking passengers is not effective. Too many times the TSA fails its own tests. In fact, I am not aware of an airport that has passed a Red Team test. So let's focus on intercepting true threats to an airplane: firearms and explosives. Let the penknives, liquids and other non-threat items through. Let's deploy effective technology to detect those threats. Only after the TSA has been shown to be doing a credible job in that area should we even consider expansion of its role. One has to learn to basic blocking and tackling before moving on. The TSA has not shown me that.
Originally Posted by
Inthewind
My M-4 wasn't empty. Neither was my 9mm.
But was a round chambered while you were in the airport?
