Originally Posted by
taupo
NZ has a simple system. You meet an immigration officer, proceed to Customs/Min of Ag/Fish once you have picked up checked bags. Customs/MAF have beagles sniffing bags in the baggage hall, the officers are very friendly, as are the dogs. Once handing over the Customs card you proceed to xray where your bag is checked. All very friendly and efficient.
Disagree, I think Japan's system is the best. Walk through the health counter (close during flights from nations where infectious diseases are not a threat), go to IMM, get bags, you present all of your bags to a custom officer, and customs officer shows you the
awesome list containing several diagrams of banned things (diagrams include: C-17 aircraft dropping a bomb, pineapples with bloody knives going through them, baby in empty mayonnaise bucket full of formaldehyde, etcetc

).
You indicate that your luggage does not in fact contain a dead body, and then the customs officer asks you questions and looks at your paperwork. Whereas BS officers can be BS'd
very easily and the physical system in Canada presents
way too many loopholes (being able to say you will be in Canada for a week and you have nothing to declare even though you have 4 suitcases checked, changing the answer you gave the BSo at PIL when he sends you to IMM, being able to not declare food yet you checked a leaking box with soil coming out of the tears), the Japanese system is able to not only target people, but they goods they bring in as well.
The officers stand attentively waiting for pax which looks sharp, and because there are about 30 tables, there are never lineups. And like with BSOs at PIL back home, you can go 'shopping' for the Japanese equivalent of a white middle aged male BSO, but they seemingly switch the positions of officers
after the pax approaches at random.
I also like Nicaragua's "green light means go, red light means haul your as..s in for customs inspection" system. If I were trying to smuggle drugs in there, I would not disguise my anxiety very well.
The worst is India where all bags have to be x-rayed BEFORE delivered. Seems like a good idea if it's done in a nation with a better reputation for transparency. And I'd have to say Canada is the next worse. While similar to the US, the Americans do it better because a CBP PIL officer is an integrated customs/immigration/food inspector who will perform their own secondary inspection of a pax if needed. Therefore, there are more officers at PIL helping legitimate pax, and there are
way fewer spite referrals, leading to a greater amount of continuity, therefore increasing the security logic behind their system.
Originally Posted by
CBSAguy
"It is not appropriate for CBSA Immigration Secondary officers to elicit further personal information from a Canadian citizen."
Immigration Secondary is not the Primary Inspection Line, nor Customs Secondary. Questions asked of Canadian citizens at primary/secondary are related to admissibility of goods. I will admit that I have heard some ridiculous questions being asked on occasion by some colleagues and it does make me cringe. At the same time, though, if I had someone returning from a 2-day trip halfway around the world who marked "personal" as his reason for travel, I would likely ask questions to determine how the trip was financed, why he went, etc. Was he sent to pick up two bags of cocaine and given a short holiday as a bonus? It happens quite frequently. The admissibility of the Canadian citizen is not being called into question just because I'm asking him a question that may also be appropriate to ask a visitor.
Many things law enforcers do make sense in their own heads, such as your "send information from my search to CBSA intel who can then fwd it to CSIS" mentality. I can at least credit you for being
well intentioned. That being said, your structure is a bit off IMO. Instead of saying "I would ask questions", you should approach this by saying "I will ask one question; LHR for a day!?", and then go from there. The progressive inspection, where you base further questions (if any) are based on the first response and other indicators such as physical, speech, etc.
If a drug trafficker paid my ticket through cash, my "why gone for two days" question would have been weak, and further questioning would be justified.
Being that I am legit, an exit that long would be legit, and the first question would be legit, so questions pertaining to how I paid my ticket, or any questions about my trip would be illogical. Maybe a "where did sleep?" just to see my response would be good. Although I know you are competent at the progressive PIL inspections, many of your colleagues are not.
Originally Posted by Nitehawk
I'm surprised how many of you have customs problems. I leave the country and return probably on average of once a month. often on business, sometimes for pleasure, sometimes to buy things like cars and boats. i'm young (24), and often travel alone. I've never been to secondary unless importing a vehicle, once they searched it, but they remained polite and never accused me of anything.
I find that they are great at land ports (except Coutts). I find that because they have very little control of their physical environment, BSOs there are a lot more careful in what manner they question. The officers that work at smaller ports are also much better; it seems the agency wouldn't appoint a weak BSO to work at a port employing just 10 staff, assigned with one other person for 10 hours a day/night at a remote crossing. I would imagine the dumb-areses would get washed out
fast. The stupid &or young &or menopausal BSOs tend to be at ports where managers (and police) are within an arm's reach.
Originally Posted by
ricktoronto
What does "roving" mean? Isn't it correct under both the Customs Act and the AML-ATF Act that roving plus subsequently questioning randomly on outbound flights is not allowed without reasonable grounds?
You are not allowed to intercept everyone outbound to ask questions about anything as to possible customs or money laundering infractions can you, without probable cause to do so, or are you saying that Charter violation would be allowed?
Ironically as to this whole arrivals discussion on the whole I find the YYZ arrivals CBSA to be quite polite and there is limited questioning away from the establishment of identity. I have on occasion, refused to answer questions apart from those quoting the same manual and didn't wind up in secondary, I merely pointed out they were inappropriate , asked the purpose of the questions relative to my Charter rights, and advised that my declaration of goods (usually nothing) was accurate.
I agree reasking the $10K question to those obviously in command of English is not necessary but it happens 100% of the time.
The rovers are so stupid. They'll position them right
after pil to ask "more detailed questions". If the officer at PIL had no issue, why the hell would the rover?
Sometimes, they will wander around the baggage claim area. That's also stupid. If I were smuggling in drugs and had body language that would be considered suspect, I would hang out in the washroom until bags are dispensed. If a rover had issues with me, he would take my card, mark it, which would clearly indicate that I am going in for secondary. Then I wait 'til he is gone, I get my bags, rip any identifying figures on them, ditch the bags, and go into secondary. It opens way more loopholes than it attempts to close.
However, if you read the customs act, there is a section about how BSOs have authority in areas in which international flights are departing out of. Like it or not, Canada does have authority over exports.
Originally Posted by
CBSAguy
For the most part, I agree.
although we have clashed and i painted you as a troll, you seem like one of the more balanced BSOs.
it sucks that you work for such a crappy organization. at least in 10-15 years all the weak chains in the link will be attrition'd.
Originally Posted by
CBSAguy
You're right, no one takes disciplinary action against me when I release overages 100 times a day, literally. It's called discretion and I use it daily.
And no one is drinking the abandoned liquor, but thank you for the ignorant comment.
i attempted (poorly) to refer to the BSO whose job is to physically pour the liquor down a sink drain.