Originally Posted by
The Winger
I would say I get asked who I work for or what I do for a living 50% of the time returning to Canada, unless my family is with me. Maybe CBSA guy can verify your information?
you are CANADIAN. "what do you do for a living" is an IMMIGRATION question. it's not any canadian's business what i do for a living. if i am going to germany, i would be happy to answer as i am a guest to that nation and it is being asked to determine if i have enough money to get by in germany, and if i plan on living in germany. in canada, i don't owe that information to ANYONE. i only owe the authorities the inspection of my goods without obstruction.
Originally Posted by
fly-yul
So join Canpass only then since you love spending quality time in person with US CBP.
As the OP posted section 11(1) of the Customs Act provides for you to "answer truthfully any questions asked by the officer in the performance of his or her duties under this or any other Act of Parliament.
And I think administering the following Acts allows some leeway with the questions they can ask.
Agriculture and Agri-Food Administrative Monetary Penalties Act
Canada Agricultural Products Act
Citizenship Act
Criminal Code
Customs Act
Customs Tariff
Excise Act
Excise Act, 2001
Export and Import Permits Act
Feeds Act
Fertilizers Act
Fish Inspection Act
Food and Drugs Act
Health of Animals Act
Immigration and Refugee Protection Act
Meat Inspection Act
Plant Protection Act
Proceeds of Crime (Money Laundering) and Terrorist Financing Act
Seeds Act
Special Import Measures Act
you're right! also note that all these acts pertain to the movement of YOUR GOODS, not YOUR SELF. they can't charge me under the criminal code for anything beyond my goods or any such actions that occur on Canadian soil (except that sex tourism act under the CC). the citizenship act is completely irrelevant as citizenship is not dictated by any law or statute. if i am a citizen of canada, my existence of a canadian is not dictated by a law. it's an inherent RIGHT. they can't ask me anything pertaining to that unless i got Alzheimer's in Jamaica, am wearing a potato sack for pants, and flushed my documents down the toilet en route.
also, last time i checked, not answering anything to your goods doesn't constitute contravention of "answering truthfully". truthfulness works on a binary system: lie/truth. not answering is neither. i presented my goods. the goods speak for themselves. i'm lawful, and there is no question about this because i don't import seeds, meat, fertilizer, or any obscure goods beyond gruyere cheese under 20kg/$20 per import for my croque madame's, so therefore, i do not have to answer. they can play whatever games they want, including the "you're sitting on the bench reading a magazine instead of engaging in my pissing match! i'm going to charge you with hindrance!" game that the middle aged women love playing.
bso's have no power when it comes to my body entering canada, and pretty limited power considering how compliant i am. the problem officers are those who want seizures, and they don't get them from me, so eventually they wear themselves out. then there are the mature ones in their 40s who realize that i'm complaint and they realize that 'the game' is a stupid to get into. we all know these types, the officers who care about law breakers over gucci smugglers, know that someone is 90% to be legal if their suitcase doesn't contain 50kg of cocaine, who go home and enjoy their 4 days off instead of going on flyertalk trolling for posts, etcetc.
Originally Posted by
CBSAguy
Three comments from the above post:
1. Most of us wear gloves of some sort, either tacky blue rubber gloves or the leather gloves they issue us, when collecting the cards at the exit. It does not demonstrate cockiness in the least. We wear gloves because some travellers like to keep their declaration cards either in their mouths or in their sweaty shirt pockets. It's disgusting.
Talk to someone who works actually with infectious disease and they will tell you how stupid those nurses that lecture the CBSA every year are. note that they are nurses, not MDs or infectious disease specialists. you can't get anything through an E311 card that was in someone's mouth.


and i'm sure that if you could, those kevlar gloves would shield yourself from any possible threat (including the threat of insecurity, yeah?)
And I know the black gloves that they wear. They are the slash proof gloves given for tactical reasons, such as when a fight is about to happen. They're worn by tons of BSofficers at point, and it looks just horrible. Here's something your buddies in secondary will never realize: they look extremely officious and unprofessional. Those gloves are for combative situations, not performing paperwork duties.
Originally Posted by
CBSAguy
3. Again with IPIL, the system only hits on 99-100% matches. Generally, that means surname, given name, and birthday all have to match 100% before the system hits. It works quite well actually.
your stats (obviously made up because you don't realize the false-negatives that get through you) don't account for postal seizures such as the case that i indicated. the red screen (indicating a hit) will not show up for Sam Smith's cocaine postal seizure recorded under S Smith in 1995. of course, if a targeter is looking for Sam Smith passport number ABC12345, iPIL will show a red screen for Sam Smith ABC12345. that's not disputed.
Originally Posted by
CBSAguy
Wow, angry! I'm fairly certain most of the members of FT are not terribly concerned about CBSA reporting information potentially relevant to national security to CSIS. In fact, most would probably support that.
I'm glad our law enforcers know what's the best for all of us, particularly when it comes down to our rights. CSIS and RCMP are such outstanding organizations that truly care about my liberty, and nothing else. Therefore, we shouldn't ask questions. We should just delegate our concerns to them. Then everyone will be happy and we wouldn't need lawyers/activists/other pain in the asses. I'm glad people who enforce laws have such a broad understanding of various perspectives. But who cares about those perspectives? The
authorities always have our best interests in mind. I like how you think,
cBSaguy! Imagine how much better our nation would be if all the angry psychopaths with tin foil wrapped around the head turned into normal people "not terribly concerned about cBSa reporting information
potentially relevant to national security".
The cBSa has a proud history of looking out for our best interests. Just look at cases like
Little Sisters v. Canada Customs.
Originally Posted by
CBSAguy
section 153.1 of the Customs Act: the offence of hindering an officer.
No person shall, physically or otherwise, do or attempt to do any of the following:
(a) interfere with or molest an officer doing anything that the officer is authorized to do under this Act; or
(b) hinder or prevent an officer from doing anything that the officer is authorized to do under this Act.
i never knew that putting my suitcases down in secondary, going beyond the requests of the BSo by emptying my pockets, and then grabbing a magazine (lawfully purchased in canada, of course, because those american magazines full of heinous non-canadian ads are of threat to our nation), sitting on a bench, and reading said magazine until the inspection is completed, OR standing there and not answering a single question a BSo asked all constituted "molesting" "hindering" or "preventing" a BSo from inspecting MY GOODS.
....until we had a BSo interpret the law, of course. I still wonder why cBSa constantly blow drug seizure cases in court?
I get the "i'm gonna charge you with hindrance unless you stop pissing me off!" line every fifth time through secondary and it gets old. I'm not surprised you pulled that one. Next time I should smuggle in a dictionary, have it seized, and I'll bookmark certain pages so the BSos can look at it while it's awaiting destruction in the queen's warehouse.
Originally Posted by
Phrantic
One person calls it rude, the other diligent.
One person calls it inane, the other sensible.
Perhaps, just a theory, they thought you were rude and deliberatly with-holding information. Both of which can be used in court as indicators of a suspcious traveller.
you're missing the point. there are no grounds for inspection at a port. they can send every single person in or just the ones wearing any purple for inspection. there is no reason to find cause or grounds. this stems into why i don't answer majority of the questions asked; they can inspect my goods but they certainly cannot ask me where i have been, what i do for a living, a business card, etc. a cop can't just ask me all those questions, either. and no one has rebutted that, except with anecdotes about how canadians freely support their information being submitted for CSIS inspection, or how i'm subject to the
importation of seeds act
Originally Posted by
Simon
Still no answer on why CBSA have to be so rude/unfriendly and ask so many inane questions compared to how the EU and US treat their citizens on return to their home countries...
they will never answer that. this is canada. government first. government's coffers second. CEUDA third. people who pay the government (and indirectly, CEUDA), fourth.
CEUDA's not too bad-unlike some of their members-IMO.
Originally Posted by
tomh009
Often all it takes is one friendly comment when you hand over your passport and form, and the interaction becomes more pleasant.
trust me, it's best just to hand your docs and say nothing beyond "hullo". they don't care.
"how's it going!?!



", "how are you1?!?!




" is something a person in that position gets every 30 seconds, and it gets irritating. it's phony. you don't care how they are doing since their shift started at 4am, so why the f--- would you ask it?


contrary to popular belief, CBP & cBSa officers don't refer someone on the basis of "they didn't smile enough" or "they didn't ask me how my day was going! i really wanted to tell them about how i got along with my manager for once this year!"
they're going to base you on a) how you look b) how thick your passport is c) where you are coming from, d) whether you checked "business", "study", or "personal, and this all combines into e) in what manner do you respond to their questions. (eye contact, sweat, manner in which statements are said, etc).
the "hi how are you!?" doesn't mean squat, son. it would work against you, if anything.
Originally Posted by
Phrantic
I'd rather the CBSA spend taxpayer money on protective vests then relying on airport screeners from Lahore, Pakistan. A direct flight to terminal 3.
you'll be surprised how much more through and professional the screeners in Pakistan and India are (the latter of which is a wing of the military), in contrast, to.. uh, CATSA.
Originally Posted by
Joe Airman
I could be wrong, but I don't recall being asked about the $10k thing when entering or departing any European country. Do they not have a similar rule?
The 10k rule is so horribly misunderstood. It's for MONEY LAUNDERING PURPOSES ONLY. It's not for the tax man, it's not for the EI investigators. It's for FINTRAC. Nothing else. Asking the 10k question via the air stream is stupid, and you should reply by telling them to read the card. Then you should ask them if they are new. They're obviously new if they're asking you a question that was asked and documented on the piece of paper in front of them.
Originally Posted by
st7860
cbsa is more worried about collecting tax than security
if you really want to play civil disobedience, insist that you pay $5 tax. that way, they lose money because it costs them something like $20-25
per transaction to collect tax at the windows in ports of entry.
Originally Posted by
The Winger
As I have said earlier, it's not very often I actually purchase things abroad but I find it easier to just lie and say I did so I show a value in the all important box that asks how much you have spent because they don't believe you when you say nothing.
1) rip off the price tags
2) mail yourself the receipts
3) go the extra mile and iron the factory folding marks
=you just removed any grounds for cBSa to take action against you for smuggling. hell, you could not do 3) and they still wouldn't have the grounds ["i purchased these a while ago in the USA, imported them under my exemption, and haven't gotten around to wearing them yet"]
it's pretty easy to get around cBSa.
Originally Posted by
Simon
Then the questions the US CBP is asking you are totally reasonable. You are a FOREIGN citizen entering THEIR country. It has no parallel with Canadian citizens being asked what their job is when re-entering their OWN country.
finally, a voice of reason :-:
Originally Posted by
yyz_atc_lj
I almost always claim more than I've purchased to be on the safe, what with me not being able to figure out an accurate exchange rate on the 2 or more countries(and currency's) I've been to on various trips. However on my last trip (MEX) claimed $0, brought nothing back, the only things I purchased where consumed in country (beer & way too much good food).
I didn't get a second look from those behind the desks and moved happily on my way.
the BSofficers in canada likely didn't care because the immigration officer in mexico couldn't find any room in your passport for him to stamp, and then told you to get
another 48 page passport when you get home.
Originally Posted by
CBSAguy
Indeed! Switchblades, firearms, throwing stars, etc. are all found in baggage all the time.
I should also add that whether I am wearing a vest, looking "intimidating", or not does not have any influence of how I do my job.
this coming from the same agency that uses labradors in their dog team over any other breed for....what reason?

image is a serious matter. just like the dork wearing kevlar gloves at point to collect pieces of paper, there are certain things BSo's do that convey a VERY bad image to the public, without realizing it, of course.
combine that with someone who tried getting help off-peak from the customs counter at an airport and was automatically told to call the BiS line, how do you expect your agency to overcome a poor (officious) public image?
Originally Posted by
st7860
i remember last year or the year before a few times CBSA guards deserted their posts because the americans told them a criminal was coming up from the US
it happens every year or so. they wear the vests, they have the gloves, but when those may be useful, they cheese it. nothing new.
Originally Posted by
Sanosuke
This conflicts with YOUR own views on entry into Canada.
Sanosuke!
WT_F are you talking about!?!?! These aren't views, these are LAWS!!!!!!