Originally Posted by
sophiegirl
ok - I admit I am a little confused here - - - black are segments from the Op's statements; my confusion is in BLUE - [/B]
]let me add that ive asked these females to come out before afterwork and theyve gracefully said no....
they said no but you keep asking?????
i didnt make a big deal out of it .. if you continue to ask does that not MAKE a big deal out of it?
i dont care.. well, if you don't care, why keep asking?
the girl obviously side tracked...
you admit she was "obviously side tracked", but still think you are entitled to the $100?.........under what rationale?
and i told her.. i dont want it if youre going to get in trouble.. shes like its already in the system.. if she can enter it that quickly, she should give up working for Marriott - she must be the fastest keyer known to mankind.
im like "uh is that girl gonna get in trouble," hes like "yah".. then i was like "i dont want the money if people are going to get in trouble".. he cuts me off and says thats not the problem
well, if other posters are correct, the problem is NOT that she "forgot" the gift, it is that she agreed to go out with a customer....
....and asks me to sit down.. he started to go on with there are allegations, maybe it was a miscommunication....
seems to me he is giving you the benefit of the doubt as he is using the words allegations and miscommunication?????
he then goes on to patronize me "thanks, we try to take care of our platinum customers...he is patronizing you by thanking you?????
there was some vulgarity, i admit fault
vulgarity, do you think THIS might be why he met with you in a public place and not behind closed doors?????
.....numerous colleagues have seen them come to my room, hand deliver me notes, and even put their arms around me in the lobby... fine.. its flirting no big deal.. no interaction besides the one instance where a note was hand delievered to my room has happened outside of the front desk... yes, I would think this girl (or girls) ARE in trouble - I have never read the Marriott employee manual, but I would think going to a guests room has to be in the REASON FOR DISMISSAL section! And how do they put their arms around you from behind the front desk????
he is a front desk manager who knew that my "friendliness" was an accusation
]..HOW does he know that?
i believe he shouldve taken the conversation to an office and not publicized the whole thing in front of the whole hotel
see vulgarity comment above.
the whole hotel staff looks at me like im some kind of pervert nowPerhaps, perhaps not - but this may be from what the GIRL said, not the manager .
,,,while everyone was looking at me knowing what was going on...[COLOR="blue"]HOW does everyone know what was going on? Was he speaking loudly? Rudely? Waving his arms around? Perhaps using vulgarity??????[/COLOR
ive debated on whether to go to my project manager and let him know what happened so he can pull the 60+ people from there
I AM a project manager, and in this instance, I might pull my business from the property - but there could also be the chance I would pull some people off the business, if you get my drift.
where they make me out to be some perv.. think shell naturally side with her..
ok here's the big question - so there is a woman GM who you think will naturally side with her.......WHY WOULD YOU THINK THAT? I am a woman, and if I found out my female employees were going to rooms, passing notes, etc, I certainly would not blame the man involved for it! Working on your assumption that a woman is always going to side with another woman - well, then the front end manager should have sided with you, should he not? ..........
Grow Up. Lesson Learned. As rahmanbar says, in a business situation it is not only what you DO, but what it appears that you are DOING. There are not 2 sides to the story in a situation such as this - there is only HE said, SHE said. If you think your lobby conversation was embarrassing - imagine how "potential lawsuit" would play. There is no company who wants to be involved in this type of situation - consider that before you report it with the automatic expectation that your project manager will side with you.
They call it work for a reason. Keep it separate from playtime or you will experience these "misunderstandings" often - with possibly more severe repercussions. Who needs it?
I find that you have formed your opinion and took each line (by line) to dissect his post and then used it to justify your (sometimes bizarre) opinion
line by line
for the record, I'm wouldn't do the flirting part that he did and wouldn't recommend it to anyone but.. its not posted anywhere to keep personal matters to yourself; don't flirt with the help; or anything similar. And before you say its common sense (which I believe it is) it is also common practice for people in their lower 20's which I think he is; to ask people out at their place of work if thats the only place they see them. Its not like, he would go to the gym and then see her there too.. Just where or what policy is HE violating? None that I know of
you said:
they said no but you keep asking????? I took his statement as he asked different girls so by default he would be asking more than once
you said: the girl obviously side tracked...
you admit she was "obviously side tracked", but still think you are entitled to the $100?.........under what rationale?
YES I do see above post by me; its a simple job; she should be able to remember the plat amenity; its not like he was jumping on her physically or causing her to cry or something.. no excuse
you said:
seems to me he is giving you the benefit of the doubt as he is using the words allegations and miscommunication?????
any time you are asked to sit down and chat with the mgt of an establishment; I don't see much benefit of the doubt; if he brings him to a private area and explains he needs to determine something.. maybe, but not in this circustance, there wasn't any benefit of the doubt
you say: there was some vulgarity, i admit fault
vulgarity, do you think THIS might be why he met with you in a public place and not behind closed doors????? to me, this is WHY I would go behind close doors, not to have other guests see whats going on
you say: and this one baffles me:
yes, I would think this girl (or girls) ARE in trouble - I have never read the Marriott employee manual, but I would think going to a guests room has to be in the REASON FOR DISMISSAL section! And how do they put their arms around you from behind the front desk????
I see a staff meeting based on this but thats about it. Dismissal, only if they want to get rid of her/them for other reasons. AND he said they put their arm around him in the lobby.. I've talked to many a staff including FDCs who are not always behind the FD.. If they are as friendly as he thinks, I can see this happening often. I have seen people who are regulars to hotels get hugs coming to properties.. like Hey Joe.. long time no see; welcome back Mr Joe etc.. and the only time they went to his room was to deliver something (note I guess).. I have had a lot more people (staff) come to my room including FDC's whom I asked to ensure a package or something important was delivered, of course what I gave in return was a nice thank you tip (in $$$ LOL)
you say:
I AM a project manager, and in this instance, I might pull my business from the property - but there could also be the chance I would pull some people off the business, if you get my drift.
If you pull your people off your program for this (and everything here assumes its the truth) then you won't have many people wanting to work for you very long. Again, i'm not saying I'd want my guys doing that but for what has happened here (based on this story) is a CYA for the $100; if this doesn't occur, I'd be willing to bet that this issue never occurs with hotel mgt. I'd say that you would not be the greatest PM to work for based on your comments to this thread.. my two cents, others mmv