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Old Nov 13, 2007 | 11:24 am
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Originally Posted by Bart
I truly don't see the comparison, and, no, it's not because I work for TSA.

If there's anything that's a slow erosion of our freedoms, it's the laws that allow the police to stop us just to make sure we're wearing our seat belts. The way I see it, we have a God-given right to be stupid. And failure to wear a seat belt is certainly stupid. However, when a police officer stops a driver to make sure the driver is wearing a seat belt, a whole bunch of other things come into play. That officer then can justify, for self-protection, to conduct a search of the car and the driver. To me, this allows police officers an opportunity to "fish for evidence" they may not have originally thought was there. I see this as a slow erosion of our liberty and a gradual slide of government crossing the constitutional lines protecting us against unreasonable searches.

Nothing like this happens at a security checkpoint. Passengers voluntarily undergo the screening process. The screening process itself is designed to look for a specific list of prohibited items. The passenger is well aware of these prohibited items. Possession of these prohibited items result in either the passenger being given the opportunity to exit back into the public area to dispose of these items or the passenger abandoning these items at the checkpoint. No arrests, no detention. Only illegal items, that is to say, items that are specifically unlawful to possess either at any time (such as improvised explosive devices) or at a specific time (such as firearms in carry-on) carry the consequence of arrest and detention. And even so, the police officer must due process as defined by the courts in terms of rights warnings, arraignment, etc.

Nope, there's no erosion of freedom at the checkpoint. The people, that is the Voice of the People as represented in Congress, voted and agreed on establishing the TSA as the agency responsible for and conducting airport security.

If you're going to make any comparisons with Nazi Germany, get it right.
I don' t know Bart. While you make some compelling arguments, there are somethings about the TSA that really disturb me.

Take the No Fly List for example - people are secretly added to the list without transparency to the process, and it can be hellish trying to get off the list.

Who knows what other lists are being compiled besides the No Fly List. Secret black lists, and applying to get off the list doesn't sound very American or Democratic to me.

The TSA arbitrarily applying "security" policies without a public examination process is also highly troubling. Very few other agencies can arbitrarily create and enact new policies that affect millions of people without any type of external review or process.

Take the no liquids ban for example - it was put in place in less than 24 hours, without solid evidence of any threats, and without any independent / external review from the public. As a result, millions of passengers were affected immediately. Tons of expensive liquids, products, and medicines were thrown away. Mothers were forced to give up baby milk, or to sample their own milk, sick people were deprived of important medication, etc etc.

This process is neither democratic nor accountable to the public.

When we see stuff like this, it goes to the heart of what America is NOT about.
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