Right but I'm not talking about Treos or Blackberries.

I think when people refer to competition for the iPhone, they're talking about the more exotic HTC models or the Prada or the Meizu.

I know some HTC are carried by TMobile and AT&T but even then, these are not going to receive the marketing that iPhone will get.

We'll see though, because I think the HTCs sell a fraction of the Treos and Blackberries.

Treo is really hurting unless the new executive team can come up with something big.

Blackberry is the real formidable competitor. I've not tried BB but I know people are fanatical about them. Yet I hear BB users worldwide is under 10 million? If Apple hits their 10 million target by the end of 2008, they will be neck and neck.