Originally Posted by
holtju2
They should publish a similar study about redemptions on C and F cabins on their alliance partners. I would NEVER redeem an economy award anywhere
Exactly. The WSJ "study" is interesting, but not a real surprise. We all know that the base 25K economy saver awards are not that hard to find - the big carriers have so many flight options that you can usually find a connection to anywhere you want on or around the days you want (holidays excluded).
But international C & F availability - particularly to high demand destinations like US-Europe and US-Australia in their respective summer seasons - is close to nil. See my recent post about zero C class saver seats to Sydney for UA's (and its partners) entire 330-day schedule.
Originally Posted by
ziqch
I would like a study to find and compare between airlines upgrade availlibity for international flights using miles, now that would be interesting.
Ditto. Though it would be somewhat challenging to compare apples and oranges given the various higher fare requirement (UA) and co-pays (AA,CO) - one would have to calculate the total cost (miles & $) and compare to availability.
The numbers to Hawaii are particularly telling - zero avail. at the saver level. And that's just for a coach seat to HNL.
The numbers for Europe are not really useful - September is the shoulder season, and the carriers usually start running sales the last week in August, so I'm sure they are happy to fill up coach seats with a few awards.
Originally Posted by
mtparadis
I also found it very interesting that DL claims to have already given away 18% of J seats on ATL-FCO for this summer at Saver levels.
I find that highly suspicious. However, from what I've read across FT, it appears many airlines are now zeroing out J awards from the inception of the schedule until just weeks or even days before the flight, at which point they release some "saver" upgrades or saver J inventory. So the airlines can technically claim that they have a high inventory of J seats at saver levels, but effectively there are zero seats available to anyone who wants to book a trip well in advance using miles.
Not to many people are willing to gamble that J seats will become available last minute for a long international trip. So they are forced - as a matter of prudence - to buy tickets in advance or cash in miles for the much less valuable coach seats (assuming Y is available at saver levels - which is not always the case

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