Originally Posted by
percysmith
It’s similar to this
https://www.gov.hk:8443/en/residents...dnmrnotice.htm .Email to Immd about which one to use as a citizen.
Immd and CTS maintain the fiction they are separately levels of government so they need permission to share info. They probably do it anyway when they think you broke the rules.
I think CTS identified a former HRP under your HKID number in a different name. Otherwise they won’t ordinarily have known.
I NEVER have a HRP because in the past I never thought about to get one when it was Very Easy to get. I wish I have the foresight to get the HRP in those days that were like a walk in process. The HKID number is The Same as Day One when I got it as a child, returned to HK from Macau and applied it with the Birth Certificate.
When we migrated to US we surrendered our HKIDs to Immd per official instruction. I did not get my HKID back until 12 to 13 years ago.
So your theory does not work in guessing HOW the CTS can see there are personal data changed by entering my HKID into the system as there should NEVER be any HRP under that HKID number, same name or different name notwithstanding as a HRP has never existed. There are other identification on the HKID that communicates such info, but is definitely not as your theory suggested.
I did change my name again when getting back my HKID - per the Immd officer's suggestion, I changed the name on HKID to match Exactly as the name used on US passport - when I naturalized to become US Citizen I merged all 3 Chinese characters to become Middle Name and just had 1 married surname instead of having 2 surnames which often confused people to hell. HKG Immd officer suggested since I was getting new HKID (with SAME number), might as well took the opportunity to modify the name so all docs would have the same name.
This indeed has been a great move ever since I had to go thru paperwork involved ID proof from both places. In fact more than once I heard the officers of either government or local banks that it was Very Rare they saw names matched on all docs... Saved a lot of hassles such as doing public notarization.
Originally Posted by
percysmith
I have nothing against foreign married surnames. But electing to change your name with Immd triggers a lot of work in HK (not just with government, but with banks and whoever you have an account with).
There’s no need to tell Immd about it, my mother hasn’t (yes that creates need for an alias in Cathay cos some flights (eg: to/from China under HRP) she’ll have to credit under maiden name). My sister in law in Aus (born in HK) elected not to rename.
Not in my experiences whether in the first change adopting married surname done before change over, as well as merging all 3 Chinese characters into a middle name when getting the new HKID decade ago.
It was the immd officers who suggested me to modify my name on HKID to the identical form as shown on US Passport, and then of course the HKSAR Passport, all done at the same time.
If I ever successfully get the HRP, the name on it would be identical as on the HKID/HKSAR (and US passport for that matter though it is not in play here).
Originally Posted by
percysmith
Contract check in agents won’t generally know what’s in the Chinese Nationality Law but PRC National Immigration Authority officers will, both on entry
and exit, both for normal entry and exit
and TWOV (you might need to read what I wrote about Article 4 of 1996 Explanations
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/37407824-post309.html , I added it after your reply. I also wanted to check what TWOV privileges HKers have on HKSAR alone, if any.)
HKSAR does not have the TWOV privileges because this policy is only open to countries on the list. HK is not a country. To be eligible to use TWOV, your passport must be from one of the country on the published list. So I dont know why you want to check because it is a Nonstarter with HKSAR if you really understand the essence of TWOV and how it works...
I dont have issue with CX or QR traveling on tickets without Middle Name despite the Middle Name is shown on all travel docs. Both seem to be rather strict on the Middle Name stuff - required to be EXACT on the ticket the same way as on the passport. In reality, In recent years NONE of my tickets issued by AA AS or QR / BA ever has the Middle Name on the ticket or reservation! However both AA and AS do tell me since the middle name is in the FFPs, when they transfer the traveler info to the partner airlines, the whole name will be transferred over. No need to have it shown on the ticket as it automatically shows in partner's system.
My BA FFP does not have Middle Name therefore so does my QR account as otherwise the 2 cannot be linked. But neither BA nor QR ever makes a blip when my travel doc full name has middle name while the tickets do not.
In Spring I even contacted QR DOH Office to find out if I was in the clear because their website description scared me. The CS in DOH was very efficient, she told me to forward a pic of the passport to a dedicated email box so she could look at the details. 30min later she replied with email as well as a phone call, told me I was fine, no need to reissue ticket which was using QR program and reissuance would have to be from them. She said not to worry. Nobody bet an eyelid when I used DOH 3 times on that trip.
Besides, we are discussing a Trip on TWOV, NOT a trip trying to try to sneak into China. As a matter of fact, since TWOV became in effect Dec 2024? Enter / Exit are getting much easier, except may be entry at PEK still asks to produce print out of hotel reservations etc back in Spring. The DPs from friends used PVG, CKG, CAN, were like a walk on the cake, fast, smooth, no need to produce anything other than the exit journey proof. Travellers are US passport holders, former Chinese citizens but the 10 years expired, they wanted to wait for renewal of US passports before getting another 10 years hence took advantage of TWOV. All smooth sailing except at PEK one was asked for hotel reservations on top of the exit journey proof. One DP was, traveler was advised to use TWOV instead of getting the one-time Visa when attempted to enter from Hong Kong...
There are plenty of DPs on the net that people of Chinese ethnicity traveled on TWOV without any issue on their foreign country passports.
I understand your fear or where it comes from, but really the empirical data is much more important than the laws in writing because the current policy of Chinese government is NOT to harass visitors... By law you need to report your arrival to local police station? or the hotels do the paperwork for you. Many many people simply do not do this. Very occasionally I read about on exit some were being scolded on that or being fined some bucks - but all these cases happened in the first several months of 2025, when hotels were still categorized into 2 groups - those can take foreigners and those cannot. Now by central government order, all lodging establishments are required to take foreigners... Talk about policy change, all because China needs your dollars.
Originally Posted by
percysmith
I honestly think you are making this far more complicated than it is meant to be. Again, the TWOV is to facility tourism. Right now this is something the central government wants to push.
A friend in SFO told me he has friends in identical situation, i.e. born in Hong Kong. This Spring they were able to get the one time Visa in Hong Kong then traveled to China on their US passports. The friend even told me "Now there is a Visa Free 10 days stay, why dont you just use the 10 days, so you dont even need to get a Visa? 10 days are plenty enough to visit China" When I told him your comments and advice, he said, "I dont know where you get such info on the net, NONE of my friends have trouble either getting a single visa or just do TWOV." "On the net there are lots of nonsense talk. What actually happens is what you should know and not what you read on the net!" LOL.
My view is, given China right now is really desperately trying to get tourism dollars, it offers Visa Free for 30 days to sooo many countries, yet would not give to UK, Canada and US, because they still have the "face" issue. Yet by giving the TWOV and now adding more countries to be eligible (Indonesia was added in Jul?) and additional ports in Guangdong to facilitate the TWOV, I doubt there would be any rogue immigration officers would dare to diminish the efforts by the central government by giving people a hard time.