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Old Sep 14, 2020, 7:23 pm
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Originally Posted by brunos
I admire your optimism about vaccine. Let's hope you are right. But that's OT.
But even with vaccines, Sars-Covid-2 will be with us for the coming year and probably more.

Let's for the moment assume that the situation remains about the same in the next 12 months.
If HK, or another country, manages to get to zero cases, then obviously new cases will have to be imported.
But can HK sustain a country lockup for so long and without assurance that the 2022 will not be similar? We now see that covid has been around for almost a year and still dangerous. It cannot be eradicated worldwide, so we have to live with it.

You mention Vietnam. Vietnam has decided to protect its production/export sector. It sacrifices its tourism industry which contributes 6% to GDP. Factories are working with healthy workers.
We could take the example of other countries with somewhat-diverse economy which can sustain to be locked for a while.
But what is the production of Hong Kong? Besides shipping, it is mostly international services. The border lockdown to international pax is devastating. All the international trust and expertise that has been accumulated over many decades is waning.

You mention a peak at 100 daily cases for 7.5M people and current numbers are 10 or less . Europe is very open and has many more cases per inhabitant. Even at its low, UK had some 500-1,000 cases for 68M. They are now at 3,000 per day (divide by about 10 to get the HK equivalent). And UK remained fully open to anyone, with a somewhat-lax home quarantine only for pax from high-risk countries. France has many more cases.


I am not saying that covid is not serious. As a vulnerable person, I am very worried. I hate to see some family dying in elderly homes. But as a very small economic base whose "exports" are primarily international expertise, I don't see how HK can afford to remain locked after six months of that regime.
Singapore is in a somewhat similar situation and they are creating "green lanes" with many countries. Netherlands, which is like Hong Kong and Singapore an important outpost for multinationals, has decided to exempt foreign business visitors from quarantine (for their business activities). It is obvious that Hong Kong wishes to stem the flow from some Asian high-risk countries, even HK residents. But it needs to open travel corridors, bubbles (whatever the name) very fast with major developed countries even if they have more covid cases than HK. The purely-medical objective has to yield to a more balanced approach. It might make me feel a bit less safe in Hong Kong, but it is needed for HK survival and certainly that of CX. CX is near collapse. I don't mean today but in a year time. It does no have the government support that SQ or other Asian carriers have.

PS: In most countries, positive cases without serious symptoms are simply asked to isolate at home , as opposed to HK where positive people are hospitalized and overwhelming the public hospital system.
Thank you for your reply.

You mention a peak at 100 daily cases for 7.5M people and current numbers are 10 or less . Europe is very open and has many more cases per inhabitant. Even at its low, UK had some 500-1,000 cases for 68M. They are now at 3,000 per day (divide by about 10 to get the HK equivalent). And UK remained fully open to anyone, with a somewhat-lax home quarantine only for pax from high-risk countries. France has many more cases.
The public hospital system in Hong Kong is already overwhelmed before the pandemic. Even the seasonal flu can make corridors packed up with patients. I think you might read quite a lot before.
https://hongkongfp.com/2019/02/09/ex...h-system-sick/
https://www.scmp.com/comment/letters...isis-hong-kong

The truth is that, the public hospital system of some European countries, especially Germany, is much more robust than that in Hong Kong.

Singapore is in a somewhat similar situation and they are creating "green lanes" with many countries.
Green lanes scheme in Singapore is not that 'green'. The highlight is the arrangement with Malaysia. Long-term visa holders in Malaysia are allowed to re-enter Singapore and can return home after a few months without 14-day quarantine. It is far from a 'travel bubble'.

To compare with, Hong Kong has been negotiating travel bubble with Mainland China and Macau. Without the third-wave caused by imported cases, Hong Kong should have already opened border with Mainland China and Macau.

Netherlands, which is like Hong Kong and Singapore an important outpost for multinationals, has decided to exempt foreign business visitors from quarantine (for their business activities).
Again, it is about the robustness of hospital system. And don't forget Netherlands is in Schengen area.

PS: In most countries, positive cases without serious symptoms are simply asked to isolate at home , as opposed to HK where positive people are hospitalized and overwhelming the public hospital system
I am not sure the 'most countries' include any country in East Asia. People in East Asia are living in crowded apartment buildings. Isolating at home means infecting his/her neighborhood.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amoy_G...#SARS_outbreak
https://news.rthk.hk/rthk/en/compone...0-20200211.htm
https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/...xpands-elderly
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