Originally Posted by
DLSuites
show me where I said they would never start these flights.
In your very own words, mint stuff didn't make it to day 1.
Originally Posted by
DLSuites
I think all these new additions, in one way shape or another, got eliminated or cut. Looks like even some of the MINT stuff didnt even make it to day one!
They will lose on JFK-ATL just like they did with BOS-ATL. I remember how loud they were about this route and look what happened, even pre-COVID. They couldn't make that route work. They went from 5 or 6 daily 320's down to 2 or 3 190's. Even 4 daily flights JFK to ATL is nothing compared to what DL offers out of NYC to ATL. So, even if they can survive with 4 flights, its very insignificant. LOL. Give it up JetBlue. Your feeble attempt at these routes and DL strongholds will fail. For this purpose, the seat mapper is accurate enough.
They were running 4x on BOS-ATL pre-COVID and 2x on JFK-ATL. Now with COVID, they are obviously running less. Why would they need to offer the same number of flights as DL on NYC-ATL? That's like saying Delta needs to fly as much as JetBlue from NYC to DR. It doesn't make any sense.
Originally Posted by
DLSuites
how many people bought a ticket and how many people non revved = the total number of people on the flight. But lets not get caught up on the first flight. Any future flight has no more than a few seats sold. Its a route they have cut back on and will eventually give up on altogether, unless they want to throw a 190 on it or wait for the 220. When I see 3 seats 'taken' its a pretty good indication the flight is not doing well.
Point is you used seat map to judge how many seats are sold when the reality is seat map does not provide that info when most of the seats are sold as basic economy. Seriously, this is for your own good. Airlines will add and remove routes as they see fit. Spending all day on seat maps due to a grudge is not a great way to live life.
But, according to tphaung, blue never fails at anything.
I have not said anything like that. I said NYC adds are strategic stuff they will keep around. The other stuff will get canned if the bookings are not there.
I'll check back in a few days, we'll see what else gets reduced.
Which is pointless because every airline is cutting more flights every week. It's not a JetBlue phenomenon. We are in a pandemic and have a 14 day quarantine in NY/NJ right now. See how much DL cut in BOS/NYC just this past week and same with UA and AA. Normal stuff these days.
Originally Posted by
cmd320
Would you like to cite the airlines that are currently doing well on any routes? AA and UA may have a handful of flights that are profitable on an irregular basis, but the reality is that every airline in the country is currently hemorrhaging money faster than they ever have.
What he doesn't seem to understand is that there is very high fix cost in parking aircraft and paying pilots/FA to stay at home. Fuel prices are not high. And now they've committed to adding all this flights with their AA partnership. AA is giving them slots to fly more. And they've committed to no furlough for pilots in exchange for allowing this AA codeshare. The break even cost for these flights are really not high at the moment.
JetBlue had the second lowest debts in the industry before this started. So they are using that to gain importantly slots and gate access that cost a lot of money to acquire normally. I don't know if any of this will work out, but they are taking a shot to be relevant in NY/NJ. The NY/NJ stuff is not a 2 or 3 months mirage. And for customers, we will just have more choices, which is always good.