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Old May 22, 2020 | 8:08 am
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Originally Posted by Stranger
Come on. Flying in Y in the 60s on narrowbodies was way, way better than Y in widebodies today. Apart from seating, service was pretty much like J today, or even better.

But then, the price in real terms was consistent with the above. Flying in the sixties was a privilege of the wealthier. In other words, poor service in Y is driven by demand for cheap, cheaper, cheapest. Alas I suspect that won't change in the recovery, even if the demand is less. Prices may go up, and will need to because costs will be higher givn the lower demand. But service won't improve because price will continue being key. Unfortunately.
Originally Posted by Genetk44
i did say that the actual comfort and service in todays narrowbody would be less than in the 60s. Back then seats had far more padding and cushoning, were wider and had more pitch and recline than todays seats. There was actual food served, higher FA to passenger ratio. On the other hand, remember there were no pods, no lie-flat or even semi-flat seats in J or F. Those really didn't start appearing until the 80's on the widebodies.
When comparing Y product from the 1960's for international travel versus today here would be my assessment:
1960's advantages:
  • Service: more flight attendants, flying was "special" and you were treated that way
  • Ability to access the flight deck for a visit
  • Seats: greater pitch and more cushioning
  • Meals: served an actual breakfast rather than banana bread.
  • No security charades
  • Flights were typically not full - more opportunity for a "lie flat" experience in Y. Load factors are about 15% higher now (pre-COVID) than back then.

1960's disadvantages
  • No IFE
  • Tiny overhead bins
  • Seats did not have adjustable headrests and were not ergonomic
  • Tighter baggage restrictions
  • No mileage program
  • Really really expensive compared to to today
  • If it was raining you typically got wet when boarding and disembarking
  • No wheelchair access
  • No pre-booking of seats
  • Far fewer destinations served


No significant difference
  • Seat width. The DC-8 flown by AC had a 1" narrower cabin than a 737 today.
  • Main meal: hit and miss then and now.
  • Alcohol (although I was too young to drink in the 1960's)
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