Originally Posted by
cmd320
In inferring that the quoted post had something to do with DL's meteorology department, you implied that.
The original post (like the first one in the thread) is what that comment was about.
and the general tone of post like yours that are basically saying "If it isn't raining then there wont be turbulence"
Originally Posted by
cmd320
Someone perhaps, everyone on what I assume was a TATL 767, zero percent.
You sure are good at speaking in fact when you have no facts to back anything up.
Having said that your point here really doesn't matter. The pilot told you he had reports of turbulence in front of him. Its pretty simple.
People being able to hold it really doesn't matter to the conversation. Simple fact he/she was not only following procedures but they were also making the safest decision possible with the information they had.
They could have guested on it, like you clearly want your pilots to do, and ended up getting someone seriously hurt or killed.
Originally Posted by
cmd320
Did it? No? I wonder why?
Also I asked for data pointing to increase usage of seatbelt lights to keep passengers sitting when there is no turbulence/reported turbulence. Your link has absolutely nothing to do with that. She was trying to go to the bathroom on final approach, the seatbelt sign being on at that point isn't up the to airline or the pilots but is a FAR.
Originally Posted by
cmd320
You're contradicting yourself here. On one had you say this is pretty much a liability issue, on the other you imply that the flight deck is legitimately concerned about turbulence.
No I said its both.
The liability issue comes in when the airplane isn't actively bouncing around but the pilots are getting warnings from other pilots and from their meteorologist (and from the FAA) that turbulence is around them. In which case, yes, it is a liability issue. Because what happens is people like you still get up, then they hit heavy chop, you go flying into the overhead bin and then try to sue the airline. (and you lose because the seat belt sign was on and you ignored it)
So its a safety issue but its also a liability issue.
Originally Posted by
cmd320
I trust the pilot to fly the plane, sure but I'm more than comfortable taking the risk to hop up and have a pee if the seat belt sign has been on for hours on end for no reason. Yes, if the aircraft is actually entering an area of severe weather or known severe to extreme turbulence, I'll hold it as long as I can,
Okay. Seriously. You don't know what you are talking about. Unless it is a mistake, which probably happens .00000000000000000000001% of the time, the light is on for a reason.
Once again, as the PILOT just told you in his example, they kept the light on because of forecasts and reports of turbulence ahead. Cutting it off because "oh well it hasn't happened yet" is stupid, unsafe and irresponsible. A lot of people have been died to get to the level of safety that were are at today, and safety statistics show that.
Originally Posted by
cmd320
otherwise I'm not going to sit around playing that game should there potentially be turbulence two hours later.
The fact that you keep repeating the "I check for thunderstorms" line is really making me think you seriously know very little about turbulence. That is fine.
the problem is you are speaking in facts when you really need to be speaking in opinions.
either way, hoping up and getting out of the seat because you think you know more than the crew is a good way to get yourself hurt. Just FYI.
Originally Posted by
cmd320
Virtually every other airline from every other country has no problem managing this issue and I don't see anything that implies there is any higher level of injury due to turbulence on non-US airlines
and ONCE AGAIN, I will ask for data proving this to be the case. Actual data. Not "well three people on FlyerTalk". Not a random blog post about some lady peeing in a cup because she wanted to get up during final approach
but clear cut data that says US carriers use the seat belts 1) more than non US carriers* 2) because US carrier are basically using the seat belt light as crowd control.
*adjusted, of course, for size.