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Old Mar 2, 2000 | 2:30 pm
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As I've noted before, Samantha, if I may address you as such, or essxjay, if you prefer, POST WHAT YOU LIKE, WHEN YOU LIKE! That's the point. Just please be civil!

One point of clarification, the "no one cares" above was a reference to my posts, NOT to your copyright issue! Yet the thread seems to have metamorphasised somehow! See, it's a bit confusing when we mix apples and oranges!

DJlawman commenting AGAINST regulating/ moderating/"policing" FT noted"...people who seem to have nothing else to do with their lives than post every thing they can find on FlyerTalk, whether anyone else 'cares' about it or not." Thanks for the charitable comment! Needless to say, I'm not a great fan of everyone on the boards either. I try to refrain, however, from such relatively negative phraseology, even when Im being flymed/attacked- though not always 100% successfully!

And I never said PremEx or anyone speaks for you. Quite the contrary, rather that he is a friend who notes that like I, who clearly are not a friend, that he feels it is NOT at all about copyright, as you have claimed. Recall that you immediately burst into your "just the tip of the iceberg" rant in the original SAA thread!

You continue to seem to fail to appreciate that I HAVE tried to "satisfy" you and your friends on one extreme, as well as all the other FT'ers at the other extreme. Recall previous discussions regarding thes issues.
You can research the threads if you like.

Lastly, I'm trying to avoid further confrontation, not induce proliferation of it!

Perhaps you can REread my former post:

"Again, the incredible persective(s) (and perhaps lack of such among some FTers, IMHO) manifests itself. The lack of truthfulness/ objectivity is astounding to me and to any others with evejn a hint of objectivity.

essxjay- You simply told/ordered me to "cease and desist" or else. Nothing could have been more clear.

There was literally NOTHING about the NUMBER of posts. This was/is an "afterthought" at best! It's good, I guess to cover all the bases!

I have always, up until very recently, simply summarized and directed FT'ers via link(s) or otherwise. I watched as others routinely violated copyright etc., for nearly a full year- which I should apparently do no longer, thanks to the heightend sense of awareness I now possess thanks to you!

I had been hesitant even to use a link! One of the FT posters you noted enjoying reading commented just recently, as you may recall that "doc has learned to cut and paste." As I noted previously, a current relatively high profile case, stemming from DVD, has challenged quite effectively, it seems, the propriety of even using links.

Another problem with links, aside from the often (24 hr) limited nature, is that they many are "live" and thus change as time passes.

You say "bunk", yet it is on the record that a NY Times article was on a dead link and would cost $2.50 to open/recall! The poster was- you got it- essxjay- not "essexjay!" Sorry for the previous typo/mispelling.

The fact is, I believe, as your friend Premex noted, that this has nothing to do with copyright! Nor is it about the material being posted. It is, in fact, IMHO, the POSTER- "me"- and not, as you lay claim- my "actions!"

You profess to not be willing to stand by and watch others violate copyright, yet it is in fact precisely what you have always done from the day you arrived up 'til now! Shame on you- you should know better!

Recall when Ken (kyklin) recently noted so matter of factly that he sometimes posts an entire article despite knowing it's a copyright violation and despite the fact that he knows it is wrong- but that he simply does NOT CARE!!! Perhaps that would have been an excellent time to openly threaten someone about going to the AP???!!! Even the most inastute among us can see that the "rules" are applied in a less than egalitarian fashion!

Just a bit of candor, along with a little respect and tolerance of others goes a long way! THERE ARE OTHER PERSPECTIVES OTHER THEN YOUR OWN. If any FTer, no less many do not like my posts, I'm sorry. That's a fact. It's the risk in posting!

Yet, various FTer's have commented as DJlawman just did, that no one cares. Again, I must be the only one who can NOT read others minds and also the only one who unfortunately misreads posts.

What I see is a handful of vocal FTer's who apparently feel that they rule by fiat. This group takes every opportunity to harass/flyme me under other false handles as well as their own real ones!

I'm a fairly well informed individual. I see alot of things I already know. I see quite a bit that I don't care for and/or don't agree with! Or don't like. So what? I just move on. I suppose that makes me silly. Well, I'm learning albeit slowly. Perhaps I can soon attack with venom! Then I too can grace the board with scurillious aspersions to the mutual benefit of all! Is that whats wanted? I think not!

In the interest of keeping peace and in direct specific response to your threat, I say I'm not posting any more news items. So you now apply the term "martyr!"

Having said all this, you are right, silence is golden! I WILL practice more of it.
PremEx is correct in that I've promised to show restraint and done poorly in that regard. Again, while I don't necessarily agree entirely, thanks for the polite reminder.

Yet, while "right," whatever one wants to say or think, that's their point of view. It does not, however, make it necesarily right for EVERYONE, IMHO! This is in sharp contrast to a rule or law such as the copyright issue where, as I plainly noted above, I was wrong!

Nonetheless, I will continue to respect everyone else and their rights even while some FTers hurl thinly veiled insults and profess to never be insulting!

My view is that this entire fiasco should have been handled somwhat differently- perhaps alot differently! YOU could have easily been more fair and shown some RESTRAINT. Unfortunatly, IMHO, you've been lured into a kind of cabal which makes it their business to harass/ flyme me at every opportunity.

FWIW- In ant case, let's let bygones be bygones and move on from this ridiculous distraction. I already have! I've already said FAR too much.

Again, with apologies for the rant,

Mark

PS I dont have the energy to go back and put in HAPPY FACES. Just try to imagine them, they are there in spirit!!!"
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