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Old Dec 25, 2018, 4:30 pm
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WillCAD
 
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Originally Posted by MacLeanBarrier
"Bad actor" will have his own disposable respirator and NARCAN doses.

Repeating my earlier post:

"Deploy Installed Physical Secondary Barriers (IPSB) that enclose the forward galley. Just reinforcing the cockpit doors was a sloppy fix."

​​​NARCAN inside the forward galley and cockpit in the case any amount of synthetic opioid gets passed an impermeable IPSB—sealing the forward galley—and affecting the pilots ability to emergency land: now the primary objective.

In the meantime, the pilots will drop the oxygen masks. Most, if not all, of the passengers will survive any residual synthetic opioid thrown at the impermeable IPSB deployed before a pilot opens the cockpit.

Great discussion—that DHS and TSA are not having with rank-and-file Federal Air Marshals and all other representatives in the aviation community who may be affected.

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Just reinforcing the flight deck doors would have been a sloppy fix, I agree. However, it wasn't the only fix - both flight crews and passengers now will refuse to cooperate with any would-be hijackers. Anyone "throwing" opiods (aerosolized or otherwise) toward the flight deck would be immediately set upon by a panicked mob of people, many of whom remember watching planes fly into buildings 17 years ago and all of whom have ever since been subjected to daily doses of "ter'ists are magical-powered furrin' devils who wanna kill yer children, despoil yer sister, and eat yer dog!" paranoia talk from everyone who ever made a penny by selling Anti-Ter'ism goods or services.

I remind you that the two most famous cases of passenger-initiated attacks aboard aircraft over the last 17 years - the shoe bomber and the underwear bomber - were both thwarted by passengers alone, not by intel, not by passenger screening, not by physical security barriers, not by armed pilots, and certainly not by armed FAMs.

Also, assuming that the regular Liquids, Gels, and Aerosols screening doesn't turn it up, would the existence of respirators in Bad Actor's carry-on not trigger a hand search of his bag that would turn up the liquid or aerosolized opiod compound?

And in conclusion, let me repeat both of my earlier posts which contained questions you ignored:

Originally Posted by WillCAD
Um... that's not exactly what you're warning against.

That was a case of the Russian government using carfentanyl as a chemical weapon against terrorists - irresponsibly killing 120 of the people they were supposedly trying to rescue.

Are there any other cases in history where aerosolized carfentanyl has been used as a weapon? Is there a case where an unauthorized person or group has used aerosolized carfentanyl as a weapon? Like, ever? Or is this another one of those wild theoretical attack vectors that people have seen in movies and are utterly convinced are imminent and inevitable? Like suitcase nukes and binary liquid explosives and electromagnetic railguns with x-ray scopes...
Originally Posted by WillCAD
You're getting farther afield with your scenario.

So, Bad Actor boards an aircraft as a passenger, bringing aerosolized opiods aboard, and somehow - SOMEHOW - delivers the aerosol to just the pilots and not himself, then somehow - SOMEHOW - manages to take over the flight deck after the pilots are unconscious.

And no, the "he might take the dose himself and administer his own NARCAN" thing won't wash, because getting a dose of opiod and counteracting it with NARCAN has enough potential side effects to incapacitate a Bad Actor, so there's no way they would take that bullet themselves and risk mission failure.

So, questions, then:
1) What are the pax doing while Bad Actor disperses an unknown aerosol substance into the flight deck?
2) What are the FAs doing while Bad Actor disperses an unknown aerosol substance into the flight deck?
3) What are the pax and FAs doing while Bad Actor forces his way into the locked flight deck after the pilots are rendered unconscious?
4) If Bad Actor is not suicidal, why is he going to such elaborate lengths to hijack an aircraft when there are far easier and more available targets that can be taken with a few pistols and some yelling?
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