Originally Posted by
gengar
I wasn't even aware "place bets to lose" were offered in B+M (non-Internet) casinos. In any case, at 5/11 payout, that's something around ~3% house advantage which is awful (to put it in perspective, just placing the 6 or 8 is ~1.5% and buying the 4 or 10 non-vig-upfront is 1+2/3%). Hedging it with a hard 4 or 10 at ~11% house edge is even worse.
Don't pass, don't come, don't make a point, etc are all legit bets at the craps table. Study the board. Here's an example, notice the win/lose bars on the points on top, etc that show the payouts. You can even lay odds on those don't make a point bets if you want to and get true odds once a point is established. (I always think those people laying odds and playing the don't side are crazy, because they have to lay out more then they will get back, but the odds favor their original bet once a point is established because there's more ways to make a 7 than any point on each roll, so they have to lay odds if they want to play odds on the bet.)
https://www.lolcraps.com/craps/wild-jack-craps.jpg