# My craps system (It works. I win using this)

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**My craps system (It works. I win using this)**

IF...you have ice water in your veins...bring $1128 to a $5 minimum crap table. With this system you profit EVERY TIME a 6 OR an 8 comes up. Put $6 on BOTH the 6 and 8 place bets. If a 7 comes up (and you lose) before EITHER a 6 or 8 comes up; increase your bet on BOTH 6 and 8 to $18. Then to $48 on each, if a 7 comes up before a 6 or 8 and you lose again; then to $132 on each, if a 7 comes up and you lose again; and finally to $360 on BOTH 6 and 8. EVERY time you win (when either a 6 OR 8 comes up)...go back down to $6 on BOTH 6 and 8. If you're willing to risk the entire $1128, the only way you lose doing this...is if FIVE 7s come up...before ONE 6, OR 8 (and that's the ONLY way you can lose all $1128...MINUS any previous profit of course). You are a 135-1 favorite with this system! (That is, the odds of FIVE 7s coming up before ONE 6 OR 8...is 135-1) If you've got the cajones, risk the $1128. ANY TIME a 6 or 8 comes up...you'll be winning for your ENTIRE session...from a little to a lot, depending on how long you've played for. So you can walk away at any time after a 6 or 8...and you'll walk away a winner! Again, you only lose your entire bankroll, if FIVE 7s come up...before ONE 6 OR 8!

By the way, 6 and 8 place bets pay $7 in profit, for every $6 you bet.

By the way, 6 and 8 place bets pay $7 in profit, for every $6 you bet.

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This is similar to an old blackjack scheme, "1-1-1, 2-3-4-5-6"...

Any time you lose, go back to step one.

Bet $1 on a hand (assuming the table minimum is $1, if it is higher then use multiples for all these bets). If you win, bet another $1 on the next hand, then another $1, etc.

When you win 3 hands in a row, increase your bet to $2. Since you are up $3 at that point, you are only gambling with won money. If you lose $2, you are still up a buck.

If you win that hand, increase to $3, then $4, then $5, then $6. If your table is a $5 minimum your bets would be 5-5-5 then 10-15-20-25-30. When you get to the top bet just keep repeating it, as your chances of losing get pretty high at that point.

This sort of scheme takes advantage of runs of wins that happen occasionally and basically decrease your chance of losing all your stake very quickly. So you can hang around the tables drinking for free and earning rewards points for a longer time, assuming you have a reasonable level of playing skill. I don't play tables myself so I don't know how casinos feel about this system, heheh.

Any time you lose, go back to step one.

Bet $1 on a hand (assuming the table minimum is $1, if it is higher then use multiples for all these bets). If you win, bet another $1 on the next hand, then another $1, etc.

When you win 3 hands in a row, increase your bet to $2. Since you are up $3 at that point, you are only gambling with won money. If you lose $2, you are still up a buck.

If you win that hand, increase to $3, then $4, then $5, then $6. If your table is a $5 minimum your bets would be 5-5-5 then 10-15-20-25-30. When you get to the top bet just keep repeating it, as your chances of losing get pretty high at that point.

This sort of scheme takes advantage of runs of wins that happen occasionally and basically decrease your chance of losing all your stake very quickly. So you can hang around the tables drinking for free and earning rewards points for a longer time, assuming you have a reasonable level of playing skill. I don't play tables myself so I don't know how casinos feel about this system, heheh.

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I assume you are a billionaire then, OP?

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And THAT...seems to be a variation of the old "Oscar's Grind:"

The first bet in the series is one unit. If it loses, the next bet is also one unit and the player notes that a loss will now bring the deficit of the series to two units. After a loss, the next bet is ALWAYS the same size as the bet just lost. When a series is losing, proceeds of a successful bet are not pocketed, but the next bet is INCREASED by ONE unit. No bet EVER is larger than may be necessary to end a series with a profit of ONE unit.

MY method is actually a steep "Martingale" progression. You're increasing your bet about 2.7 times every every loss. I mention that you need ice water in your veins to do this, because your actual profit on any bet is never more than $12, and sometimes as low as $7; but you risk losing significantly more...especially if and when the start to "7s" pile up. However...ANY 6 or 8 on the dice....puts you in the black for the entire session...and lowers your next bet, back to $6 on each number.

Casinos have no opinion on ANY "system." They just want to keep you at the table for as long as possible.

The first bet in the series is one unit. If it loses, the next bet is also one unit and the player notes that a loss will now bring the deficit of the series to two units. After a loss, the next bet is ALWAYS the same size as the bet just lost. When a series is losing, proceeds of a successful bet are not pocketed, but the next bet is INCREASED by ONE unit. No bet EVER is larger than may be necessary to end a series with a profit of ONE unit.

MY method is actually a steep "Martingale" progression. You're increasing your bet about 2.7 times every every loss. I mention that you need ice water in your veins to do this, because your actual profit on any bet is never more than $12, and sometimes as low as $7; but you risk losing significantly more...especially if and when the start to "7s" pile up. However...ANY 6 or 8 on the dice....puts you in the black for the entire session...and lowers your next bet, back to $6 on each number.

Casinos have no opinion on ANY "system." They just want to keep you at the table for as long as possible.

*Last edited by mileage junkie; Oct 26, 13 at 3:11 am*

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Yeah...because winning from $7 to $12 on bets at the crap table gets you to billionaire status real quick.

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This is a great idea, until someone hits the seven 5 times in a row.

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However, if the time frame is unlimited, no matter how astronomical the odds of something happening, eventually it will.

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Do you know why they don't care? Because that 135:1 chance at a "catastrophic" loss outweighs the small wins you're getting along the way. No betting system stands up to math. Period.

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Essentially you're grinding to win a few dollars while risking x-times your original bet. What happens if you start winning? Do you increase your bet or do you continue to flat bet?

Gambling is for entertainment. Never heard of a successful gambler who ended up winning. Oh wait, all those massive casinos on the other side of your bets

Gambling is for entertainment. Never heard of a successful gambler who ended up winning. Oh wait, all those massive casinos on the other side of your bets

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Gotta love these "it works!!1!1!1" gambling strategy threads that pop up every so often.

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There is no way to gain an edge at craps playing on the square (barring the occasional promotion). You can use betting systems to reduce variance, but the vigorish will get you if you play long enough. I haven't checked your math, but assuming it is true, 135-1 is not that much of a long shot given many trials. The odds of hitting a Royal Flush at Video Poker is approximately 40,000-1 yet there are royals hit multiple times each day in every major Vegas casino. I would bet a considerable amount that there is at least one being paid off on the Strip at this very moment.

If you want to get an edge gambling (that is, have a positive expected value over the long term) there are a few options. You can become an expert card counter at BJ (but when you get too good the casinos will likely bar you), find one of the positive EV Video Poker games and play perfectly, or become an expert at live poker/race/sports betting. I have no quarrel with the way you play if you find it exciting/satisfying. But if you really want to win in the long term you need to switch games.

If you want to get an edge gambling (that is, have a positive expected value over the long term) there are a few options. You can become an expert card counter at BJ (but when you get too good the casinos will likely bar you), find one of the positive EV Video Poker games and play perfectly, or become an expert at live poker/race/sports betting. I have no quarrel with the way you play if you find it exciting/satisfying. But if you really want to win in the long term you need to switch games.

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Actually, it's the exact opposite, you increase your bet after every LOSS. (It's a steep Martingale progression.) You make more than half your profits on $6 bets.

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They won't be advertising their successes on FlyerTalk, or any other internet message board; since they want to continue to be successful.

**mileage junkie**, doesn't understand the math behind craps, standard deviations, risk of ruin and numerous other important gaming concepts. *end of story*

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**"It works. I win using this,"**you lose credibility.

If you said,

"this is how I have fun, I know that long term results will never make me (or this system) a winner; but I find this system novel and the risks minimal," then you would be credible.

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