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Old Feb 16, 2018 | 4:05 pm
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Originally Posted by In The 216


While I think this was terrifying and looks very scary, the aircraft was not structurally in danger. The engines mount bolts are designed to withstand an incredible amount of stress and also designed to shear off and let the engine (in theory) fall away from the plane if stress/shaking became enough to endanger the structural integrity of the aircraft.



​​​​​​Several, a US Air 737 in the later 1980’s comes to mind.
I remember the time when DC-10s were literally losing their engines. IIRC the problem was related to the mountings not being strong enough, which I guess was a vibration related problem or was it simply fatigue of those mountings?

Originally Posted by EWR764
The remarkable part about this situation is that the nose cowl broke away, which is suggestive of some sort of internal failure, as evidenced by the photographs of the engine showing several broken/missing fan blades. In more innocuous cases, cowling doors along the sides of the engine have been known to blow off if improperly secured, but the nose cowl remains in place, looking more like this:



The loss of cowling doors will degrade aerodynamics, but will not cause nearly the vibration of what was documented in this instance. The loss of virtually the entire nacelle will cause significant vibration because of the disrupted airflow, as will the effect of a windmilling unbalanced fan (missing a few blades).

I don't want to go too far into speculation, but the outward appearance of the engine based on photos and videos posted online is suggestive of an uncontained blade failure which compromised the integrity of the nose cowl, causing it and the rest of the cowling the separate from the engine. In this case, the engine was most likely shut down.

As far as the engine shearing off, again, that's an extreme failure mode, but the engine is mounted to the airframe with shear pins that are designed to fail at lesser loads than will the structure of the pylon.

Edit to add:

Just to touch on your reference to AA191, in that case, the engine sheared off because of cracks which developed in the pylon due to an improper engine change technique. This failure occurred at a much lower load than was designed (using hollow fuse pins at the time) and caused part of the pylon and wing to come off with the engine. This damaged two of three hydraulic systems and caused the left wing slats to retract (fail-safe mode), which you correctly note, caused a stall which the crew could not diagnose and recover from in time, given the limited altitude and the fact that they were proceeding with an extensively-drilled engine-out climb procedure.
IIRC the DC-10 engines falling off were the result of a design flaw and not improper maintenance.

Originally Posted by eng3
Actually, a blade coming off is "expected" in that it is a failure mode that has been considered by the engineers. It's likelihood and potential effect has been studied/tested/etc and all that goes into the reliability numbers and ETOPS.
Unexpected (failures that no one has ever considered) is where things go "out the window". When that happens, it is investigated and a solution or risk mitigation is developed. Then, depending on the cost of the fix and the number of people that have died due to the issue, perhaps the FAA will direct the change.



I recall the engine is designed to go up if it came off to avoid hitting the tail (at least on AA191). I don't know about the engine covers. I'm pretty sure that it has been considered though.
I'm trying to think of an unexpected example. Perhaps the Concorde crash at CDG or the Swiss flight over Canada that had electrical problems because so many passengers were playing gambling games with the video system. There was also the example of the airliner that ran out of fuel due to confusion between English and metric systems of measurement. Finally, maybe the first bombs on aircraft were unexpected, as would have been the oxygen compressor cargo problem that resulted in the everglades crash (and end of one LCC).
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