As an older person-
I had a Pavoni manual, the a Pavoni commercial unit for 15 years. When it died went to Saeco and found it garbage. Then to Jura (F-50) and when it was "permanently borrowed" by my son bought another individual Jura. All the mechanisms of Jura's are the same. The difference is the computerized functions. As a BMW buyer for 40+ years, I will be a Jura buyer until I am past my use by date.