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Old Aug 18, 2017, 2:01 pm
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Originally Posted by spin88
I am also a (now former) airline investor, and have always made my investment decissions based upon what I think changes at airline would do in the mid-term to drive away valuable traffic. This caused me to invest heavily in DAL ye2012 and in VX shortly after the IPO. In essence shorting the current anti-consumer version of UAL has been very lucrative...

I have viewed UA's version of BE through this same lense, and I called the book away UA has now admitted a long time ago: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/28349801-post1656.html

I agree that UA's what I would call "extreme" version of BE (on all fares, all flights, no status credit, no carry on) was predicated on other airlines following United. But I also think that it was utterly foolish, infact incomprehensibly foolish, of UA's management to think that OALs would follow. Other airlines have management that do not think that Hunter Keay speaks from on high.

Delta already had a successful version of BE, and directly competes with certain carriers (e.g. AS, WN) that are not going to adopt BE. Why would Delta follow United? Better to sit back and steal elite traffic from United as they have been doing every time United does something stupid going back to 2012.

Then the gig should have been up when AA rolled out BE very slowly, and only applied it to the three lowest fares, and then gave 1/2 status credit. AA was between DL and UA in its use of BE. AA is clearly going to just let UA hang itself.

And while UA has clearly backed off BE a lot (no longer on higher fares) the inability of UA's management to break free from the short sided thinking of the Hunter Keays of the world, and realize that they are actually in a consumer service business, and that they can't as the third largest US airlines set the conditions for the market, is just mind boggling.

UA's version of BE was a big failure, the question is how much longer UA keeps bleeding itself before it tosses in the towel and changes its BE to be more like DL's (or AA's) version.
There clearly is a strong viewpoint opposing United's BE fares that's being advanced in various Internet forums and the press. Clearly, BE does not work for everyone and there are certain competitive routes where customers interested in low fares and full service could best be served by other airlines.

The problem is that there's no proof of book away - traffic is up. The attempt to conjure sell-side analysts as an instigator is also old. I am sure you understand the concept of Chinese walls and the responsibilities outside professionals have in discussing confidential information with competitors. Perhaps the discussion can focus on the merits of the argument, rather than creating scapegoats.
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