Originally Posted by
CMK10
With this TalkBoard, votes will take a full two weeks, trust me.
For any motion and any TalkBoard, going through a full 2-week voting period isn't necessarily a bad thing. Since 2012, TB has amended the guidelines to inform the public how a motion will end up if enough votes are secured beforehand. Why taking a 2 full weeks brothers you much?
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/town-...isclosure.html
Perhaps TalkBoard needs a three step public process:
- General discussion of an idea.
- Publish preliminary motion with fixed length public comment period.
- Publish final motion with public comment while voting is in progress.
I believe that people still wouldn't focus fully on the matter until the last step. Again, human nature.
In terms of
TB Topics Forum, we agree to disagree. Some of us
always pay good attention to the "current events" in TBT Forum and provide feedback, whatever stage (say water-testing, proposal-drafting, motion-drafting or motion-voting) that matter at hand is, even when we feel like falling on deaf ears.
The FT reality is the majority of the currently registered 585,896 FTers don't even bother to pay any single visit to TBT Forum. Their full attention is to
other parts of FT, no matter what step any TB proposal or motion is at. Does it make the dozens, if not hundreds, of those FTers who care enough to actively engage with TBT Forum any less passionate or effort unnecessary? I think not.
I don't think it's too much to ask of TB to implement a process to better the proposal/motion making in TBT Forum at this point, especially after what happened to creation of Premium Deals Forum and the very recent general car rental forum.
Originally Posted by
tcook052
Originally Posted by
SkiAdcock
If a motion has flaws, then TB either votes it in as is & lives with it or votes it down & starts again (both of which have been done in the past).
Very much agree. While I appreciate the intent of the proposal making it easier to correct errors may cause more occur as the need to be very thorough in wordsmithing a motion is removed when you can just make revisions after the fact.
Yes, and there was also
a case of "friendly technical amendment" in the motion stage. I don't know how the amendment was accomplished in the private TB Forum back in 2012, but I would think they should all be factored in when "formalizing" the formalizing process.
Originally Posted by
MSPeconomist
Originally Posted by
kokonutz
As I said above:
And, frankly, I'd MUCH rather have this 'friendly amendment' process be a FORMAL process than have it be something the TB just sort of does behind closed doors by consensus or whatever.
Me too. In fact, if the formal and open process incentivizes people on TB to be more careful before making and seconding motions, this would also be a very good thing.
IMHO, what disappoints engaged FTers in TBT Forum is some hasty signs in the motion/s TBers introduce to the public. Please allow me to repeat myself:
Originally Posted by
lin821
I am not dismissing the need to fix typos in TB motions. Nobody is perfect after all. Having said that, rather than working on an amendment process, I rather see formalizing such TB motion-making process first, so we can be more certain no hasty motion is made (in the future.)