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Old Dec 21, 2014, 6:55 am
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SkiAdcock
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Originally Posted by OverThereTooMuch
This is a bad idea.

Sometimes, there's bad content

If you have a way to like a post, you need to have an equivalent way to "unlike" a post. That's the only way the community can truly have input on whether or not content is valuable. People post bad info here all the time. Many times, it's based off personal opinion and not facts. Which is fine, as long as the post is clear that it's an opinion.

Not clear how it will be used

I think there are many ways that having a like/dislike option associated with a post can be valuable. But today, there's no plan mentioned for how this will be used.
Will there be some sort of "award" for the most valuable content in a forum?
Will this be used as criteria for selecting forum mods/ambassadors?
Will there be a way to filter to only see content of a certain level?

Instead, I think it'll be used by people who think these things matter on the internet (the same ones that feel their post count actually matters), and they will be recruiting all of their friends to form a "mutual admiration society" where they all just "Like" each others posts, no matter what the content. I would consider that an abuse of the system. FT would need to have clear policies in place for abuses like this. It will require additional mod time to perform these sorts of investigations.

If you don't have a clear plan in place for how it will be used/abused, then you shouldn't implement it.

There's no clear benefit to FT

There's no mention in this proposal of why FT thinks it is needed, or what value they believe it brings to FT.

Potential for abuse
In addition to the abuse described above, an admin for another forum has posted real-life experience of how it can be abused:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/23873665-post111.html

Other options

If you're going to implement some variant of it, I would be in favor of the solution proposed here - http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/23873665-post111.html. I think there should be additional discussion on what the categories for the voting options would be, but otherwise I agree with all of the advantages/disadvantages described here.

It also NEEDS to be anonymous, or you will have drama.

Every forum that has added/changed this sort of functionality after going without it for years has experienced pain. I encourage you to look at the history of some big boards that have done this, and see what you can learn from their growing pains.

I also "dislike" the idea of having a link to every thread I've "liked" http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/talkb...-profiles.html.
Well said.

Originally Posted by joshwex90

1. True, but there's no requirement of a dislike button. More often than not, when someone disagrees with a post, they post WHY they disagree. Contrast that with the myriad of posts that have nothing more than "+1" or "+100000" (plus the quoted OP since a post must have at least 5 characters)

2. I don't think there's a need for awards, just as there's no awards today for actually helpful post and/or frequent posters. The award or reward is knowing that you've helped people. Perhaps you can add something (akin to the "FlyerTalk Evangelist") such as "Super Helpful Poster" after he/she gets numerous thanks or likes to their posts. That does give value, and I would argue that that gives significantly more value to other posters than a FT posting title. (Who do you trust more, inherently? A "FlyerTalk Posting Legend" with nothing else, or a measly "FlyerTalk Evangelist" that's also a "Super Helpful Poster?")

3. Sure there is - it helps significantly cut down clutter AND can in the long-term, if rolled out right, give more value to others by knowing that said poster is really helpful. For example, I know that WineCountryUA is one of the most helpful posters out there on the UA forum. Not only does he/she answer tons of posts, but does so quickly, continues to provide information, and that information is invariably correct. But I am active on said forum.

For someone coming over from a different forum, or a newbie on FT, knowing that WineCountryUA was a "Super Helpful Poster" would help give more weight to said posts.
1. Wait, you forget that, if by chance this is implemented, the button will be 'helpful'. So why not have a 'non-helpful' button? FTers post incorrect information all the time. I've seen 'likes' given on a BB board to a post that was absolutely incorrect (which is one reason I don't have much faith in the like button). So if information is incorrect, then why not have a 'non-helpful' button so that FTers will know the information isn't helpful? (One reason would be that both like/dislike & helpful/helpful can be gamed - and has been in the past on FT).

You're also making the erroneous assumption that +1, +1000, :-: will go away. That's not the case. People will still post those. Sure, some will use the like but others won't, so the bit about this will suddenly reduce real estate isn't accurate IMO.

2. Just as FTers go for titles (hey, this is a BB that deals with status), some will go for the title of super helpful poster even if they aren't necessarily. It's very easy to game.

I'd recommend you read the titles thread in this forum if you want to know how hot potatoes titles are; the same could be said for at what point of likes is someone considered helpful, mildly helpful, really helpful, super-duper wildly helpful. We don't need additional titles.

I can't speak for others, but what matters to me is the content being posted, not how many likes it has or if someone has a super helpful title or evangalist or legend under their handle.

Originally Posted by Oaxaca
I'm ambivalent about this, as there are definetely downsides (on other forums, you see people posting contoversial opinions or pointless attempts at humour just to get "likes").

However, to me the most useful aspect of having a "helpful" (far better term for FT than "like" IMO) button is so that I can later track the posts that I have found helpful. Sometimes you see a very useful piece of advice, which you don't need now but may need later. By flagging it as "helpful", you can then easily search it later from your own profile. This exists on moneysavingexpert.com, which appears to use the same technology as FT. There are a lot of pointless "thanks" on there though.

For me it would be enough if I was the only one who could see which posts I had found helpful
I don't think it's going to work the way you would like it to (at least in its current format). From those who can see likes currently in their profile, it just has # of likes given/received - NOT where the likes are.

If you find a post particularly helpful one thing you can do is bookmark the post or just copy it into a word doc. I've done both.

Originally Posted by kipper
I cut your post to address just a few things...

1. Adding a title like "Super Helpful Poster" will only serve to drive the misuse of a button. Then, you'll have people with that title who don't give correct information.

2. The "like" button is currently not visible to anyone but TB members, admins, and moderators.
1. Agree.

2. Agree. Only only those 3 groups have the ability to give likes as the feature is currently enabled for a trial. However, all FTers have the likes given/received showing in their profiles as evidently that aspect was turned on for everyone.

Cheers.
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