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Old Oct 17, 2014 | 7:56 pm
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jarusoba
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Originally Posted by tomh009
KVS, I think at this point I'd really like to see an Availability/EF method -- allow me to sign up for (a legitimate account with) ExpertFlyer but continue using KVS. For those of use that are not so happy with the GTC scenario, this would give us another option, and one that we would be allowed to legitimately use.

Could you make this happen?
Originally Posted by A_Lee
Ok, sorry, I misunderstood what you wanted to do. I'd agree that if they allowed just a KVS or other third-party interface to their information, for a single user, it would be useful to some people.
And that was exactly what I posted upthread.
Originally Posted by jarusoba
KVS has been a very useful tool to me. While I could get everything that KVS can provide via other free websites, I still prefer KVS because of the convenience, and the standalone small application. This is much better than ExpertFlyer which one has to enter all the fields every time the website is pulled up.

However, now that KVS cannot scrape info from FlightStats, maybe KVS should consider scraping info from Expert-Flyer. I don't mind paying a subscription for both Expert-Flyer and KVS but enjoy a much better interface.
And ExpertFlyer immediately sent me a PM stating this is not allowed.

I MUCH prefer the KVS interface despite the fact that I prefer to have a legitimate (paid or not) data source. So I suggested to ExpertFlyer that they write a similar app as KVS and I would consider switching. Also, the internet speed in my area is not that great. KVS app lets me switch search parameters very quickly while EF would require an access to the internet every time I key in a parameter or retrieve saved parameters. With a slow connection, even 0.5 second every time I retrieve a parameter is a pain in the as.s to me. That's the main reason I prefer KVS. And that's why I don't like anything web-based.

There is nothing wrong IMO what KVS is doing, except KVS should market itself as a scraper instead of a data provider. Everything KVS offers can be done though other FREE websites. I pay for KVS only because of the convenience, not because of the data it provides.

The GTC thing is just another website that KVS can scrape from. KVS commits no fault by pointing to us how to be crooks ourselves (if using GTC credentials in an unauthorized way constitutes being a crook that is). We are the one being the crooks, not KVS. Whether we want to use its service or not is OUR choice. So if you think this is immoral, DON'T do it! Just stop using KVS. If you're like me, feeling no guilt of using GTC credentials, by all means continue to use KVS to scrape the info.

Last edited by jarusoba; Oct 17, 2014 at 9:12 pm Reason: changing the spelling of a s s to avoid being blocked out
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