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May 16, 2013 | 6:01 pm

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Originally Posted by pheonix254

As an English person, in the UK by not leaving a tip, I am stating that the service was adequate, and not outstanding. If I complain, then the service is REALLY bad. If I PAY someone, it's because they've done something really personally wonderful.

I fail to see how it is my problem that waiting staff get screwed by their employer if I don't leave what I consider to be a completely optional service charge. If the employee has a grievance, then it should be with the employer, not me, and to accuse ME of stealing? sorry, what? I don't pay an optional fee, therefore I steal. How is that in the least bit logical in any other industry?
We, like most of the civilised world, have a minimum wage to ensure that workers are not slaves. If the US treats "tipping jobs" differently, then that is not my problem. What is worse, it is expected that I reward (pay) for someone if they provide a poor service. You may want me to cause a fuss to management, but when I pay for a meal, I expect a meal, in a reasonable state, in a reasonable time. nothing more, nothing less. I'm not paying to have an argument. I also fail to see why serving me an expensive dish is worth more to the person serving me than a cheap one. It's not like they're doing more work, is it? a plate is a plate, regardless of whether it has caviar-stuffed lobster or a big-mac on it. It's not my job to employ someone for a service when I've already paid for it. That's the restaurant's job.

If the US system is set up in a manner which requires irrational behaviour to function, "because that's the way it's always done", then that's not my problem. The only other times that "optional" charges are actually mandatory, are where you are involved in corruption and bribery to get things done.

All of the above said, when in the US, I pay the 15/17/18/20% is to avoid confrontation, and partially because the server is caught in the system and relatively powerless (but that doesn't stop them lobbying for a law change in a free country, does it), but that doesn't prevent me from begrudging the system in the first place. Besides, it gives me something to complain about in the pub when I get home

However, when in Rome...

I detest the practice of tipping, however in the days when I used to travel to the US I would tip in restaurants because, well, that's what you do. Like most residents of civilised countries I find the US disease of tipping anything that moves to be a mystery, so if anything I would overtip to avoid embarrassment.

If the tip was included in the bill, and this was clear before I dined, then so be it; I would pay exactly what was on the bill, not a cent more no matter how good the service was. I don't recall ever coming across this.

If I received a lecture about the necessity for tipping I would probably thank the lecturer, explain that I understand how the system works and then leave. Again, this had never happened to me.

I find it hard to believe that anyone who traveled to the US wouldn't know about tipping, particularly in restaurants. They mightn't know why, but they know that it needs to be done.

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