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Old Dec 10, 2012 | 7:02 am
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PotNoodle
 
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AB will probably be bankrupt in a few years anyway with a business model that tries to cater to full service, low cost and charter clientelle. EY can't keep buying shares as there is a limit.

As for all the odd remarks about EY giving AB tonnes of feed yet OW giving no feed at all, that is what I cannot understand. AB/IB/AY/S7 and co all have more flights to Germany than EY could ever hope for (due to bi-lateral restrictions).

AB has a poor network consisting of mainly lesiure routes, Oneworld have 2 decent Eastern European hubs at DME and HEL so are fine without it.

The most value AB has is through Niki at Vienna who actually have a decent Eastern European network, goodness knows if Niki where independent of AB if they would still be in Oneworld but I see them as a valueable niche complementing HEL and DME.

I am glad Oneworld chose QR over EY, they are bigger with a better network and better quality. The last thing Oneworld want is some financial basket case that gets subsidised with oil money who is buying struggling airlines because their network is poor compared to TK/EK/QR therefore are trying to show muscle flex through other airlines.

OW should get rid of CX and instead try to lure in CZ/MU/HU. Whilst they are an amazing airline they are hindering OW in China.

Africa is a tiny market currently, sure it will grow but when it grows new airlines will pop up. It is in the very very early development stages yet and there is opportunity. More developed markets like E.U has more of an issue where new airlines are less likely to rapidly expand and seek alliance membership.


Originally Posted by moa999
western continental Europe.

no sane person chooses to transit LHR
Iberia at MAD?

And LHR is a perfectly fine transit point and is far superior to rivals CDG and FRA.

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