Originally Posted by
Supersonic Swinger
Why so?
Originally Posted by
maortega15
He hates oneworld and CX plain and simple.
Uh, no. I in fact have respect for oneworld, and I like CX.
Let me quote myself from another thread why I will absolutely not support PR entering oneworld:
Originally Posted by
Akiestar
Not too confident on oneworld, as you can see in my signature. HKG is too close to MNL and will most likely eat market share away from CX as PR has major expansion in mind. Plus, I'm afraid that PR will be devalued in oneworld, as was the ultimate plan of CX when PR went bankrupt in 1998: if my memory serves me right, they wanted to acquire PR so it could be subsumed into CX, and were only unable to do so because of Philippine constitutional restrictions on foreign equity.
If ever, it has to be SkyTeam or Star. VN and GA are only in SkyTeam because they're important key markets which the alliance wants a piece of, and PR codeshares with both of them: the codeshare can be used to PR's advantage as it can more easily funnel Vietnamese and Indonesian passengers onto PR's trans-Pacific flights in an alliance setup.
As for Star, MNL is too far away from SIN or BKK to pose any real intra-alliance threat the way MNL and HKG could turn out if PR joins oneworld. PR also plans to open new service to FRA, YYZ and JFK/EWR in the future: important Star Alliance hubs.
(As far as I know, the previous management had favored oneworld, but I heard the new management favors SkyTeam. I can't be too sure about the latter, but the former is confirmable.)
Originally Posted by
Akiestar
I don't hate oneworld per se: overall, the alliance has some strong members that I wouldn't mind flying again (CX, MA [RIP] and BA come into mind for me). What I don't like is an airline joining an alliance so that its role would be merely to feed the strong neighboring airline, rather than be given an incentive to induce organic growth.
The PR-CX relationship for me is contentious in this way: I'm afraid that if PR joins oneworld, CX will reap all the benefits of such a relationship to the detriment of PR (that is, if PR doesn't try to eat market share away from CX first when major expansion kicks in). If they've tried to do it before back when PR was in bankruptcy, what's there to say that they won't try it again?
I will not allow CX to benefit from the PR-CX relationship, if it makes it to oneworld, at the expense of PR. If PR will join an alliance, I want it to be valued for what it is, not just to be treated like some lackey of a big-shot oneworld player (CX) and the Philippine market as merely a feeder for Hong Kong.