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Old Oct 6, 2012 | 12:17 pm
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Exclamation status of tiger etc safaris in india

Originally Posted by aesla11
Just when I was ready to book our trip, someone pointed this out to me. India's supreme court ban on tiger safaris within national park. I personally think this was a great move to protect remaining tigers. So I guess we'll wait for their final permanent decision. Maybe it'll help out with over visited parks:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/25/world/...ism/index.html
Originally Posted by aesla11
It seems that permanent changes expected at indian safari parks will effect Aman i Khas as well as Taj/Andbeyond camps:

http://blogs.wsj.com/indiarealtime/2...s-tiger-parks/
first, thanks ^

only 2/5 (taj/aman/oberoi) covered by WSJ >

Ranthambhore (aman/oberoi, rest taj)
whole park, spread across 275 square kilometers, is classified as a core
Bandhavgarh
the core area makes up 716 square kilometers of its 1,545 overall area. Until now, tourists were allowed access to 207 square kilometers of the core area
Pench - 411 km2 core 758 km2 total
http://www.thegef.org/gef/sites/theg...India_2012.pdf
(detailed study)

Kanha - 940 km2 core 1949 km2 total
http://www.corbettfoundation.org/tig...rves_kanha.php

Panna - has not delineated core ?


CNN >
Supreme Court of India imposed an interim ban on all tourism activities in core areas of tiger forests.

"(Until) final directions of the court, core areas in tiger reserves will not be used for tourism activities,"

expected to release its final ruling on August 22.

Last April the court ruled that all states must identify core zones and buffer zones of their tiger parks as part of a rolling effort to regulate where tourist attractions can be located

Tourist resorts and villages are to be located only in the buffer zones of parks. States are reluctant to identify buffer zones
but wait, there are NO accommodations IN the parks.. right?

also odd they have 2 tiger pictures dated the day after the ban was implemented..

linked in CNN >
http://articles.timesofindia.indiati...-tiger-habitat

Irked by the lethargy of states in complying with the court's three-month-old order directing them to notify core and buffer zones of tiger reserves, national parks and sanctuaries, a bench of Justices Swatanter Kumar and F M I Kalifulla said if there was no action within three weeks, environment secretaries concerned could face contempt proceedings in addition to being saddled with a cost of Rs 50,000.

The interim ban is expected to goad the states in the right direction by shutting down the core areas

Times View
At a time when there is growing interest in sighting the big cat, the Supreme Court's decision to ban tourists from entering core tiger areas could actually turn out to be a setback for tiger conservation. Regulated presence of tourists actually acts as a sort of protection for animals and as a deterrent to poachers. Minus any legal human presence, poachers may get an unhindered run of the core areas. In fact, there may not even be a check on the work being put in by forest officials. Sharp-eyed tourists are known to have brought violations to the notice of officials and keep them on their toes. It would have been better to remove all human settlements from the core areas and give a free run to tigers, and a slightly restricted one to tourists.
http://www.amanresorts.com/amanikhas/rates.aspx
1 Oct, 2012
http://www.tajhotels.com/Luxury/Taj-.../Overview.html
Lodges are not operational from 1st July onwards till 15th October, as the national parks are closed due to monsoons.
so i doubt there will be any press releases from lodge operators any time soon

http://www.globaltigerpatrol.org/new...round-reserves
The year before, Madhya Pradesh had notified [hmm?] buffer zones in all its reserves, except Panna. People in Panna have been protesting the notification because they fear it will affect their livelihood. The state’s chief minister, Shivraj Singh Chauhan, too, had publicly announced in October, 2010, that Panna will not have a buffer zone. He said people were more important. After the court’s order, the protests in Panna have become vociferous
so while im confused how core can be closed if core has not been identified, in the context of this forum only panna (1/5) has not delineated core ?

http://www.wildlifeextra.com/go/news...ourism.html#cr
hearing on 22 August, at which Travel Operators For Tigers (TOFT) will present an argument to the Supreme Court for a review petition, allowing for the continuation of sustainable tourism in India's National Parks and reserves
http://articles.timesofindia.indiati...ress-rs-murthy
Panna Tiger Reserve (PTR) on Friday. The park is spread over 543 sq km, where a big cat revival programme is underway after it lost all the tigers primarily to poaching some three years ago
Originally Posted by Ericka
I'm all for protecting the tigers, and perhaps a place like Ranthambhore allows too many tourists in. But this whole thing is crazy. Everyone knows the real threat to tigers is 1) poachers and 2) the occasional villager who gets mad if a tiger is preying on his livestock.

Keeping tourists out only allows more of 1 and 2 to go on. Hopefully, they'll just reduce the numbers allowed in.
Originally Posted by Musken
Totally agree with Ericka!

Keep us posted. As I wrote in another thread, we are also planning to visit India next near. We have been to Rathambore before (but did not see tigers), and would be happy to go to India also if there would be no tiger safari this time, I would of course like it more if we would be able to go there.
Originally Posted by aesla11
Although for us it seems quite a nuisance, this move by Indian Government seems plausible. Tigers numbers in India have gone down from 100,000 to less than 2000 in around a 100 years. So isolating these animals and only having certain routes open to visit the parks makes lots of sense as it would be easier to watch out for poachers.

Meanwhile, any other recommendations for luxury wildlife safari/observation tours in Asia that can be combined with Maldives would be highly appreciated.
Originally Posted by vuittonsofstyle
I think that Kanha is still OK as it is a huge reserve & Banjaar Tola is sited well outside of the reserve.
http://india.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/...ation-efforts/

http://ph.omg.yahoo.com/news/india-d...123958128.html

http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-...e1-917581.aspx

http://india.nydailynews.com/newsart...to-tourism-ban

now we wait until aug 29

http://www.eturbonews.com/30903/indi...l-september-27

now we wait until sep 27

Originally Posted by aesla11
I have been keeping track of this situation. At this time, I would say it may be safer to go with Sri Lanka for near future. We've been researching Yala NP quite a bit and it sounds amazing. Chaaya Wild resort in particular stands out for luxury and total experience. India safari may have to wait but glad government is caring so much for Tigers.
i have no idea what its about (politics?)
but its not about ending tourism (would be done) and its not about tigers (privatization)
and even if it was, supreme court will get new appointments in next 1-2 yrs

besides india looks like nepal and bangladesh have tigers

Originally Posted by GUWonder
New judicial appointments won't make a difference in this regard, regardless of elections in that time frame.

Nepal and Bangladesh have some tiger populations -- the latter with more unique tigers in some ways -- but I would generally prefer Nepal to Bangladesh for off the beaten track tourism.
unless there is a minimum duration for all supreme court rulings, how is it that new judges cannot reverse?

Originally Posted by GUWonder
That's the wrong question if trying to understand the basis of what I stated earlier.

I am not about to explain all the actual machinations that go on with becoming a judge of the Supreme Court of India and how benches for hearings are reached, but any reasonably informed person intimately familiar with how things in this regard actually work (or not) would not jump to a conclusion that new appointments to that court in the next 1-2 years will make any difference with regard to environmental activism of this sort from the Supreme Court.
Originally Posted by Kagehitokiri
i have no idea what its about (politics?)
but its not about ending tourism (would be done) and its not about tigers (privatization)
http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-...e1-936868.aspx

next is oct 3

http://www.ndtv.com/article/south/ke...tourism-275148

next is oct 9

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