Originally Posted by nypdLieu

Also, you can redeem them going TPAC but the fare has to be a DL Y fare. Heck, at that point, you mine as well just buy the J fare.

Personally, I think since DL put EC on their int fleet, and as long as I can get a bulkhead seat, I will no longer buy an upgradeable coach ticket when flying to Europe. There's so much leg room in the bulkhead seats, when my feet are fully stretched out, they don't even come close to touching the bulkhead wall.