Echoing stimpy with whom I agree, while I feel I understand Jon and respect his opinions greatly, I think Jailer and Indurain have particularly raised good points and even methods to deal with what they (and not necessarily I), see as a real "problem."

Yet, it takes two to tango - or to fight! The constant complaining and incessant bickering are manifestly as troubling as the "problem" itself, insofar as I'm concerned.

I'd like to think that we collectively are somewhat compassionate. If Oz possibly has a problem, we should try to help him and not throw him away. We should not all bail out on him, or on our host, or on the party, IMHO! Even if he is perhaps wrong!

Oz's judgement was at times less than stellar- by his own admission. And at times so was/is mine! And surely many others - perhaps! So? There is plenty of blame to go around - but why bother with even attributing it? To what end? There are more important things - like miles and points - and LIFE itself! C'mon everyone, let's all take a deep breath and give this some thought- ideally with a somewhat positive spin!

His former apology was inadequate in the view of some, but I do believe, perhaps naively, that Oz is actually well intentioned. I feel, and I do not speak for him, surely, that he desparately wants to contribute to FT and to be accepted by FT'ers! Perhaps if he had been made to feel more as if he had been an accepted contributor in the past, this entire episode might well have been averted. He would perhaps not have fallen into the trap of constantly trying too hard to prove himself in my view. I believe this has been mistaken as him constantly seeking adulation.

There are many reasons to depart - as there are many reasons to stay. I think that there are surely FAR more of the latter. I'd hope that we could perhaps all see and emphasize the latter - and remain! If not, perhaps a brief vacation could invigorate oneself!

In any case, let's please all be sure to try to put the "fun" back into FT!

-Just my 0.02