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Old Jul 18, 2011 | 5:11 pm
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Originally Posted by ToniCounter
IL and FL are both not safe. I have seen border patrol agent at Ft. Lauderdale Amtrak station as well... which means they probably work anywhere in FL.
That is a VIPR operation which is completely different from CBP/BP/ICE operations at airports. VIPR operations are when the TSA (BDOs/FAMs) go out somewhere, usually to a train or bus station, with the stated goal of preventing and detrrring terrorism by being random and visible. But that would produce no tangible results since they are extremely unlikely to catch any terrorists, so they bring along the local law and some other federal alphabet soup (DEA/ICE/BP) depending on the operation. The operation then becomes about finding and arresting criminals and unlawfully present aliens with terrorism as as the excuse and BDOs end up looking for 'suspicious' brown people while drug dogs sniff away. In other words, the temptation of running a dragnet under the excuse of (and possibly with the funding for) preventing terrorism is unsurpassable.

Compare this with BP checkpoints set up in airports-- these are unrelated to VIPR. These can work one of two ways: The first way is a BP officer standing behind the TSA TDC looking at the documents presented to the TDC and stopping passengers whose documents indicate that they are potentially aliens and then verifying status-- another variation of this is a BP officer in the same location asking everyone if they are US citizens and verifying the status of those who aren't. The second way is to station a team of BP officers in the jetway of a flight and ask boarding passengers if they are US citizens and verifying the status of those who say they aren't; each way has its pros and cons.

The chances of encountering a BP officer at ORD doing an immigration checkpoint are extremely slim due to allocation of resources; not only is ORD a huge airport with numerous checkpoints and flights, but Chicago is not a common origin for air travel by unlawfully present aliens as compared with other airports. The same cannot be said of FLL. Airports near borders (including maritime borders) are good target airports since those airports yield a steady influx of unlawfully present aliens making the trip North to settle at their final destinations. SJU is probably the most popular airport for these types of checks; other popular ones include LAX, SAN, BUF, PHX, MIA and similar. It is possible for FLL to have this type of check though it is not something I've seen there.

Originally Posted by Often1
Don't get your legal advice on FT.
Always a good idea.

Originally Posted by Often1
Go to a good and trustworthy immigration lawyer and get your status adjusted.
Not always an option.

Originally Posted by Often1
Sooner or later, if not on this trip, you will bump into the system. Your bigger risk is not from TSA but from SecureFlight which may kick you out of its system for review by DHS/ICE (or not).
SecureFlight is part of the TSA; it does not run things through the USCIS/CBP database.

Originally Posted by Often1
For what it's worth, CBP was out in force at LAX on Weds PM, doing spot checks on UA flights so don't count on the fact that somebody else has flown 1000 times without a problem. You only need one mess-up.
Were they checking IDs or just asking citizenship, or both?

Originally Posted by bigbird12
I have been stopped several times, and not just near the TX, NM, AZ and CA border. Several times in upstate NY and like I said before, once at the Fort Lauderdale Amtrak station.

Also, a quick google search reveals that the TSA plans on teaming up with and doing more joint operations with ICE in the future and not just at the airports: http://www.presstv.ir/usdetail/185675.html
Again, note the difference between VIPR and airport BP operations. (There are also plenty of stand-alone BP operations).

Originally Posted by bigbird12
Just because some random anonymous commenter on this board hasn't run across ICE at the Fort Lauderdale airport, doesn't mean it won't happen in the future. Like poster stated above, it only takes one time to be caught, deported, and banned from the USA. Also, just because you speak pure English and carry a driver's license doesn't mean that you can be worry free. The LEO will still ask you for your citizenship, and while the risks are slim that he will conduct further investigation, if you get caught lying to a federal LEO, I think you will have much bigger problems on your hands. Again, the risks are quite small, but the consequences can be quite severe. Only you can make the determination as to what you are comfortable with.
Making a false claim of citizenship is a big deal; having a valid DL, perfect English and white skin makes getting caught very unlikely. Nervousness would be the only thing to worry about-- and any BP officer worth his salt knows that IL is one of a few states that doesn't verify status when issuing DLs so additional investigation would be done.

Originally Posted by Often1
We're talking about a person who has lived almost his whole life in the USA and has graduated from college here. Slim chance or not, it's reckless to take any chance, particularly because these situations can be sorted out. But, not after an unfortunate incident.
This can be sorted out before or after an "unfortunate incident" in point of fact; sometimes it can only be sorted out after the fact as a practical matter. An alien who entered with inspection is at a signifigant advantage.
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