thanks for all the suggestions.. I am leaning towards a Jura...
there are a lot of refurbished ones available it looks like.. which makes me wonder...
refurb= good because cheaper... also likely picked over, tuned up
but
lots of refurbs= ? poor quality (overall) product?
I want something for a daily drinker; I would pick a semi auto for the once in a while espresso. I like to get my own beans (that's leftover from my Seattle days); that negates the capsule system
thanks
FDW