Originally Posted by
nkedel
Sort of - only the light version (a sigmoidoscopy.) They don't give you either sedatives or anesthesia the way they often will when it's going around the bend of the colon, and while it's unpleasant (and embarassing, although I lucked out and the doctor (or nurse/tech?) who administered it looked like she'd be someone's grandmother, and was about as reassuring and non-embarassing a witness as one could ask for), it's not painful.
Well I can tell you what the doctors told me when I got mine. They said that they would only perform it on someone under general anesthesia. From that I deduced that the pain was far more than I, or anyone really, was willing to accept or in most people tolerate. Yuk.
Originally Posted by
nkedel
For that matter, there's plenty of pornography out there demonstrating just how large an object can go there given a willing recipient. I don't recommend looking for it, though.
In my youth. Yes, there are many things that “will” fit, of all sizes, but doing so and then transiting a large section of an airport, a checkpoint, and then a significant portion of the sterile area without betraying one’s self is something only James Bond 007 would try.
Originally Posted by
nkedel
I have to assume that's more a matter of a lack of a willing bomber, or the organizations involved having access to more effective and less costly methods.
More to it than that. What happens during a normal open incision surgical procedure? How long must that person spend recovering? What’s the possibility of infection or toxic materials killing the patient? How likely is it that a surgeon will knowingly implant an explosive device knowing that it is designed to be used to kill people? And those are just the things I can think of off the top of my head. Imagine how much more I have missed?
Originally Posted by
nkedel
I'm of the opinion that one could quite readily go to the lavatory on the aircraft, or even in a bathroom stall in the airport post-security, without other passengers noticing anything out of the ordinary except some uncomfortable noises indicative of say, traveller's trots or motion sickness or bulimia.
On-aircraft, I'd certainly hope that bringing a full-size carryon into the restroom would attract attention, but in the airport it would not, and on-aircraft you could quite readily bring in a toiletry kit, dump the original contents and put the device in to return it to your seat (or just detonate it in the lavatory if it's on the outside of the plane.)
Again you are not thinking of the roadblocks to this.
Originally Posted by
nkedel
Given that we've been paranoid about items that would fit into a normal shoe or someone's underwear, the volume when dealing with solids can't be that large or the threat involved with the prior two failed attempts can't have been as big as previously believed.
Fortunately, both of those two attempts seem to have been epic fails on the terrorists part, and foiled because of some combination of passenger vigilance and their own incompetence, with the TSA rather late to the party on those threats.
Yes, they were idiots. The liquid bomb plot of 2006 was quite ingenious, even if they were caught before they were out of the planning stage. Richard Reid’s idea of exploding shoes, while attempted by another idiot, posed a significant threat to the aircraft, and the concept
still poses a major threat. The design of an IED is limited only by the imagination of the designer.
Did you read the thread about the Asian guy disguised as an elderly Caucasian man? Did you see the pictures? And there are people here that think that the elderly cannot pose a threat to commercial aviation. You would think that none of them had ever seen Mrs. Doubtfire.
Originally Posted by
Scubatooth
Ron - My PMH/PMX/PSH or procedures I have had in the past are nunya. Considering I am a health care provider and my degree is heavy on the sciences (Chemistry, Physics, and Anatomy and Physiology), I know what the volumes stored can be, which i posted above but as per your normal MO completely ignored because they dont fit your "facts".
They why in gods name are you ignoring your own training? If what you report here is an accurate representation of your education then you should know the limitations, or at the very least be able to figure them out for yourself.
Originally Posted by
Scubatooth
Considering you claim to be a ex MP you are pretty dense as you obviously never heard or seen keestering or regurg by criminals. There is a very large volume you can store internally. If you dont believe me why dont you go ask some prison guards about items found in criminals body cavities, that would curl your toes(especially the x-rays) and i wouldnt be surprised if a code brown happened.
I know a bit about it, but in the military these are rare things to encounter during peace time.
Originally Posted by
Scubatooth
You sure about that? According to what i have heard from family members who are still serving overseas in areas they cant say where, have said that the reports they saw from the event that part of the bombers femur was found 100' a ways firmly embedded into a marble pillar. With that distance and the material it imbedded in thats enough to go through the skin of a aircraft and cause a explosive decompression and structural failure of the frame causing a complete loss.
Links please. Unsubstantiated meanderings are meaningless.
Originally Posted by
Scubatooth
are you sure about that or your facts, or can i just chalk this up to the same as your comments in the past about Money, being able to ID drugs by site, etc?
And gee this was such a nice conversation until now…..
Originally Posted by
Scubatooth
Who said anything about removing it to be used or activated? The detonator doesnt even have to be outside of the body (tripped by magnetic switch, or button) to activate it. It is very viable if you would open your eyes, look, and lay off the koolaid. One of my friends is trauma surgeon and from Pakistan and has seen it done, in the bombing of a government building. The suicide bomber looked like a she was about 6 months pregnant and no one thought anything of it and then bomb went off and destroyed the building killing half of the people in the building and the remaining injuries varied depending on distance from the blast. A woman 6months along the size of that bump could be 5-15 lbs of explosives.
The typical surgical incision heals in 10-21 days and after that it wouldnt raise anyone suspicions based on looks, then again I dont think you could tell the age of a scar by sight based on your past claims.
Kindly read my reply to nkedel. You are overlooking far too many things. Or is this arguing just to be arguing?
Please, stop ignoring your own reported training and start thinking. You may not like the TSA, you may not like me, but the muddy thinking evident in your comments above do you no justice.