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Old Sep 11, 2009 | 9:03 am
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Originally Posted by YCTTSFM
Links, please? Other "versions" I'm finding are much older than yesterday.



Ohhhh noooo, I questioned one of the most respected news organizations in the world. As a citizen, voter, and general participant in life, that's my job. I would be derelict to uncritically trust "authorities" whatever their nature.

The New York Times has been scammed, the Pulitzer committee has been scammed, but BBC is immune? Even skilled and dedicated journalists will have a few deficits in knowledge, experience, and time.

Generally I have a good opinion of the BBC; having family and friends in the UK I surf it regularly, as well as other UK news media. My point was that lack of continuity fails to prove the orange-filled Oasis bottle was placed, alone, in the fuselage and produced that explosion unassisted. Perhaps it did; but what is shown leaves plenty of room for other possibilities. If I were seeing this as a juror, my reasonable doubt would not be overcome.

As I said in my first post, BBC may well have edited the visuals for "responsible" reasons. Regardless of justification, these cuts greatly weaken their strength as "evidence."



That an open-ended fuselage section at ground level does not replicate conditions of a pressurized cabin at cruising altitude is beside the point. Even the explosion shown could bring down an aircraft. That's not in dispute.

The question is, did that orange liquid in the Oasis bottle, absent any other apparatus or assistive detonation, cause the damage we see?

The first link is the video shown in the court in London during the trial. It is simply a demonstration of the capability of this type of bomb.

http://a.abcnews.com/Blotter/story?id=4846354&page=1

This one is actually a demonstration of how you could take enough through in a baggie to blow a hole in a plane. It isd actually fairly compelling for a complete ban or deployment of more tech to counter this capability.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...fKuqSVAw&hl=en

The last one I have is the only version of this event that I can find now. There is a longer version that is like 4 minutes long that I can't find right now. It has a camera angle across from the bottle and another one at the back of the plane looking forward. This demonstration took place in 2008, by Dr. Sidney Alford. If you pay attention, even he is surprised at just how effective the bomb was (you get varying yield based on mixtures). I wish I could provide you the other link, but I can't right now (maybe I will find it later). This is the same video posted this month on BBC.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7536167.stm

Dr Alford and BBC, and ABC have nothing to gain by posting fakery or things like that, quite the opposite, they have a ton to lose if they post junk. I was not harping on you for questioning, merely pointing out that they have no reason to decieve.
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