TM Oliver has pointed out, rather politely, most of these posts are from people that i refer to as "LABEL DRINKERS". couldn't blind distinguish DOM from CHRISTAL from a decent $25 bottle of CA from toilet training. big name big house wines are made from grapes produced by "growers" only a few produce more than a very small percentage of the grape. they buy grape or even juice from the "growers"

terry theise has a fantastic selection of grower wines. buy a couple three and see if you can taste the difference between them. these are wonderful wines. read the whole thing. i do not know much more about champagne than what is in this pdf

http://www.skurnikwines.com/msw/docu...8final_opt.pdf

there are special really limited collections of "estate" grown grapes by the big kids produced for special occasions . they are not, however, pounded into the branded high end wines.

for the best exotic of high end special that your friends will be wowed, go find a bottle of Salon.