Originally Posted by
Mrp Alert
what do you want to see in this new forum?
I'd say I'd like to see an emphasis on the loyalty programs, since this is the most
opaque factor out there.
But, overall I'd like to see
(a) Loyalty Program details worldwide, as well as the regional differences in Loyalty Programs from region to region (i.e. Harrah's Total Rewards operates a bit differently with respect to benefits in the Nevada, Tunica and Atlantic City markets). Also, differences between casino marketing offers and outright earned comp offers.
(b) Details on the casino hotel amenities (dining, spa, shopping)
(c) Relating gaming specifics (i.e. tables, video poker, slots, poker) to the specific perks (and loyalty programs) available
(d) Interesting facts about the casino properties (the people, the properties, and the history)
Originally Posted by
ConciergeMike
With all due respect, good luck with that Nick. At least here in ACY, they will never come out and tell you that "X bet for Y time yields Z in comps." They don't want you knowing, in order to keep you playing.
Yep, I'd have to agree there, but some programs are still more transparent than others. And, even the transparent programs have some rather opaque areas. But, that's what makes it fun, right?
And, remember, things like not visiting for a while, or variations in play have a lot more to do with casino marketing than airline programs.
Originally Posted by
hobo13
Care to give us an idea of what spend you think is required to be high roller in the eyes of the casinos? I'm curious.
Basically, IMHO, the "high roller" category is out of reach of the discussion of this forum. And, you're unlikely to get very many details, as those folks tend to not want to publicize their play.
[we are talking folks who can easily spread from $1,000 to $10,000++ per hand]
With that being said, I do NOT consider a $100 (black chip) player to be a high roller. Now, that doesn't mean that $100 players won't be treated well at certain properties, but it's not "high-roller" material in 2008.
Now, RFB (all room/suite, food and beverage comp'ed by a property) is probably a more realistic level to talk about. With regard to RFB (and the lower lever, LFB, which would be the same, but not include all the gourmet restaurants in a property) --- a typical strip casino property (like Venetian/Palazzo) would have an expectation of a $250/average bet at Blackjack or Baccarat ($350 at Craps) with around 4+ hours of solid play per day for their lowest level RFB guests.
A recent description from a Bellagio RFB player, was a $450/average bet with 2+ hours of BJ per day, 3+ hours of roulette per day, and 2-3 hours a day of video poker on $5 ($25 per spin) and $10 ($50 per spin) machines. For this action, the player was receiving limo, penthouse suite, food & beverage, and around $1000 in promo (show up money) chips.
Of course, it is a bit YMMV, but this should give one some idea of the action required for pretty decent casino packages. But, the above are by no means considered whales, and are quite far from the biggest players at those properties.