US Airways holds 100s of passengers hostage for up to 8 hours
Mar 19, 2007, 10:07 pm
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Oh please - is this the first time it's ever snowed in the northeast?
The airlines continue to have these problems because they choose to operate at minimal staffing levels across the board. It's all about cost-saving. JetBlue's recent meltdown was (admittedly) due to the fact that they operate on a shoestring budget with as few staff as they can get away with.
Unfortunately, as the legacy carriers' domestic operations continue to degenerate into LCC clones, the problems just keep getting worse.
The airlines continue to have these problems because they choose to operate at minimal staffing levels across the board. It's all about cost-saving. JetBlue's recent meltdown was (admittedly) due to the fact that they operate on a shoestring budget with as few staff as they can get away with.
Unfortunately, as the legacy carriers' domestic operations continue to degenerate into LCC clones, the problems just keep getting worse.
Mar 19, 2007, 10:21 pm
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Five or six years ago we were waiting nearly an hour for someone at LGA to get a gate hooked up to our plane. It was about midnight or a bit after on a757 in from PIT (I took this flight once or twice a week back then). The pilot kept coming out and looking to see what was going on. After about an hour I said to the pilot, "what do you say we see if these emergency chutes work". He laughed and said, "lets give them 10 more minutes and Im with you". They got it fixed but I wondered if he meant it, he was pretty pissed off. I cant even imagine 8 hours.
Mar 19, 2007, 10:22 pm
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Oh please - is this the first time it's ever snowed in the northeast?
The airlines continue to have these problems because they choose to operate at minimal staffing levels across the board. It's all about cost-saving. JetBlue's recent meltdown was (admittedly) due to the fact that they operate on a shoestring budget with as few staff as they can get away with.
Unfortunately, as the legacy carriers' domestic operations continue to degenerate into LCC clones, the problems just keep getting worse.
The airlines continue to have these problems because they choose to operate at minimal staffing levels across the board. It's all about cost-saving. JetBlue's recent meltdown was (admittedly) due to the fact that they operate on a shoestring budget with as few staff as they can get away with.
Unfortunately, as the legacy carriers' domestic operations continue to degenerate into LCC clones, the problems just keep getting worse.
Mar 19, 2007, 10:32 pm
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Bottom line is there is no reasonable excuse for this. Darned near every carrier's done it and the one common thread is government. We need to kick the government in the teeth and make the FAA change the rules that allow PAX to be free and still keep the plane in queue.
Government isn't the solution, it is the problem.
Government isn't the solution, it is the problem.
Mar 19, 2007, 10:33 pm
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Mar 19, 2007, 10:35 pm
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Bottom line is there is no reasonable excuse for this. Darned near every carrier's done it and the one common thread is government. We need to kick the government in the teeth and make the FAA change the rules that allow PAX to be free and still keep the plane in queue.
Government isn't the solution, it is the problem.
Government isn't the solution, it is the problem.
Mar 19, 2007, 11:03 pm
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The most intelligent legislator in Washington struggles to comprehend a thought from the dumbest person I have ever sacked.
I wholeheartedly support term limits for ALL federal legislators. Two 4 year terms for Congressmen, one 6 year term for Senators. Other than VP or President, they are forbidden from any future role as a federal representative. And a six year ban on all lobbying after their most recent representative role.
Government isn't the solution, it's the problem.
Mar 19, 2007, 11:12 pm
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Just one last point - why in the heck are most if not all airports' security running at a rotten pace with temporary tables leading to scanners etc? If airports were run as a business, we would have had logistic reviews and restructuring of the entire security process with a permanent solution in place.
My team redesigned and implemented 200+ international air express depots in less than a year when we had new scanning requirements placed on us due to the Pan Am 103 Lockerbie terrorist bombing. A scanning requirement was dictated, but not physically how. And we weren't saddled with government goons doing the job of real workers.
Remember than when you are sliding your laptop bag across a plastic table and lifting, sliding and then lifting again to the scanner. Damned good government isn't it?
US Feds: Give business the goal, monitor them but then get your fat, lazy arses the heck out of the way.
My team redesigned and implemented 200+ international air express depots in less than a year when we had new scanning requirements placed on us due to the Pan Am 103 Lockerbie terrorist bombing. A scanning requirement was dictated, but not physically how. And we weren't saddled with government goons doing the job of real workers.
Remember than when you are sliding your laptop bag across a plastic table and lifting, sliding and then lifting again to the scanner. Damned good government isn't it?
US Feds: Give business the goal, monitor them but then get your fat, lazy arses the heck out of the way.
Mar 19, 2007, 11:13 pm
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Please save me from the FAA and especially any legislator. THEY are the reason this kind of crap happens. If an airport was run on business logic without stupid bureaucrats involved, we would have had amenable agreements to deal with irregular operations years ago.
The most intelligent legislator in Washington struggles to comprehend a thought from the dumbest person I have ever sacked.
I wholeheartedly support term limits for ALL federal legislators. Two 4 year terms for Congressmen, one 6 year term for Senators. Other than VP or President, they are forbidden from any future role as a federal representative. And a six year ban on all lobbying after their most recent representative role.
Government isn't the solution, it's the problem.
The most intelligent legislator in Washington struggles to comprehend a thought from the dumbest person I have ever sacked.
I wholeheartedly support term limits for ALL federal legislators. Two 4 year terms for Congressmen, one 6 year term for Senators. Other than VP or President, they are forbidden from any future role as a federal representative. And a six year ban on all lobbying after their most recent representative role.
Government isn't the solution, it's the problem.
Mar 19, 2007, 11:15 pm
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Please save me from the FAA and especially any legislator. THEY are the reason this kind of crap happens. If an airport was run on business logic without stupid bureaucrats involved, we would have had amenable agreements to deal with irregular operations years ago.
The most intelligent legislator in Washington struggles to comprehend a thought from the dumbest person I have ever sacked.
I wholeheartedly support term limits for ALL federal legislators. Two 4 year terms for Congressmen, one 6 year term for Senators. Other than VP or President, they are forbidden from any future role as a federal representative. And a six year ban on all lobbying after their most recent representative role.
Government isn't the solution, it's the problem.
The most intelligent legislator in Washington struggles to comprehend a thought from the dumbest person I have ever sacked.
I wholeheartedly support term limits for ALL federal legislators. Two 4 year terms for Congressmen, one 6 year term for Senators. Other than VP or President, they are forbidden from any future role as a federal representative. And a six year ban on all lobbying after their most recent representative role.
Government isn't the solution, it's the problem.
Mar 19, 2007, 11:15 pm
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Just one last point - why in the heck are most if not all airports' security running at a rotten pace with temporary tables leading to scanners etc? If airports were run as a business, we would have had logistic reviews and restructuring of the entire security process with a permanent solution in place.
My team redesigned and implemented 200+ international air express depots in less than a year when we had new scanning requirements placed on us due to the Pan Am 103 Lockerbie terrorist bombing. A scanning requirement was dictated, but not physically how. And we weren't saddled with government goons doing the job of real workers.
Remember than when you are sliding your laptop bag across a plastic table and lifting, sliding and then lifting again to the scanner. Damned good government isn't it? US Feds: Give business the goal, monitor them but then get your fat, lazy arses the heck out of the way.
My team redesigned and implemented 200+ international air express depots in less than a year when we had new scanning requirements placed on us due to the Pan Am 103 Lockerbie terrorist bombing. A scanning requirement was dictated, but not physically how. And we weren't saddled with government goons doing the job of real workers.
Remember than when you are sliding your laptop bag across a plastic table and lifting, sliding and then lifting again to the scanner. Damned good government isn't it?
US Feds: Give business the goal, monitor them but then get your fat, lazy arses the heck out of the way.
Mar 19, 2007, 11:15 pm
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Mar 19, 2007, 11:41 pm
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Well hell then, let's put a good government person in charge.
Some ideas:
Yep government is chockful of real smart people.
Some ideas:
- Kip Hawley (TSA)
- Mike Brown (formerly of FEMA)
- Donald Rumsfeld
- Alberto Gonzalas
- Dick Cheney
- Ted Kennedy
- John McCain
Yep government is chockful of real smart people.
Mar 19, 2007, 11:46 pm
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Mar 20, 2007, 9:06 am
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Please save me from the FAA and especially any legislator. THEY are the reason this kind of crap happens. If an airport was run on business logic without stupid bureaucrats involved, we would have had amenable agreements to deal with irregular operations years ago.
The most intelligent legislator in Washington struggles to comprehend a thought from the dumbest person I have ever sacked.
I wholeheartedly support term limits for ALL federal legislators. Two 4 year terms for Congressmen, one 6 year term for Senators. Other than VP or President, they are forbidden from any future role as a federal representative. And a six year ban on all lobbying after their most recent representative role.
Government isn't the solution, it's the problem.
The most intelligent legislator in Washington struggles to comprehend a thought from the dumbest person I have ever sacked.
I wholeheartedly support term limits for ALL federal legislators. Two 4 year terms for Congressmen, one 6 year term for Senators. Other than VP or President, they are forbidden from any future role as a federal representative. And a six year ban on all lobbying after their most recent representative role.
Government isn't the solution, it's the problem.