Another Review
Dec 13, 2004, 12:29 pm
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Another Review
I really hate to beat the horse that has been beat so bad this past year and I know that nearly everyone on this board has had a comment or 10 about the CRJ's but...I just made a trip FLO-CLT-DAY. And it was miserable. I'm about 6'3, 220 llbs.
Obviously, the trip out was the smaller DASH-8. The connections from CLT to DAY and return were both CRJ 700's. I felt that I was in a can on those connections - literally. The WINDOWS WERE POSITONED LOW ENOUGH FOR A 4 YEAR OLD - maybe! They are about 6 inches lower than older RJ's. There is ZERO headroom not much different than the other RJ's.
My wife, 5'6", sat by the window on the way back and said same thing. You can get a sore neck if you look out the window for 2 minutes. She also hit her head on the storage bin as we left the last leg. (We are not the average twice a year traveller - both GP on US)
When we got on the final leg to FLO, we sat down in the DASH-8 and felt as though we were in first class on mainline. More head room and the window was in a normal position as most aircarft. The guy next to my wife hears us talking and says, "you know, I just got came through CLT yesterday and was on the 700. It is miserable."
Now, before one of you say this has been covered before, I missed it! I have heard all the fussing about the seats, but folks, this aircraft feels like something you would get for your son from the Mattel toy company.
In the end, I would consider taking the extra 20 minutes on this flight in a DASH-8.
Obviously, the trip out was the smaller DASH-8. The connections from CLT to DAY and return were both CRJ 700's. I felt that I was in a can on those connections - literally. The WINDOWS WERE POSITONED LOW ENOUGH FOR A 4 YEAR OLD - maybe! They are about 6 inches lower than older RJ's. There is ZERO headroom not much different than the other RJ's.
My wife, 5'6", sat by the window on the way back and said same thing. You can get a sore neck if you look out the window for 2 minutes. She also hit her head on the storage bin as we left the last leg. (We are not the average twice a year traveller - both GP on US)
When we got on the final leg to FLO, we sat down in the DASH-8 and felt as though we were in first class on mainline. More head room and the window was in a normal position as most aircarft. The guy next to my wife hears us talking and says, "you know, I just got came through CLT yesterday and was on the 700. It is miserable."
Now, before one of you say this has been covered before, I missed it! I have heard all the fussing about the seats, but folks, this aircraft feels like something you would get for your son from the Mattel toy company.
In the end, I would consider taking the extra 20 minutes on this flight in a DASH-8.
Dec 13, 2004, 2:20 pm
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I really wish they hadn't bothered with the CRJ-700 and went all Embraer 170 instead for the ~70 seat market. I know doing both was the way to get the most RJ's quickly, but there is no comparison between the aircraft.
Dec 14, 2004, 8:01 am
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I was on an America West Express CRJ-900 earlier this year. The seats were positioned relative to the windows in such a manner that the seat back was actually smack in front of the window!! So in order to look out you had to recline your seat to get it out of the way!! What is Bombardier thinking with these aircraft???
Dec 14, 2004, 8:35 am
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The UN Human rights commission should imprison the engineers at Bombadier. The Canadair jets account for my absolute worst flying experiences. The only thing that comes close is an emergency landing in an ACA J41, but fortunately, those days are over.
Dec 15, 2004, 2:31 pm
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I also hate the 700. At least on the older RJs there was a 1x2 configuration. I jokingly called the exit row on the single side the CP section. You could almost always get the single side and often the exit as a CP. On the 700 with 2x2 seating that is gone.
Dec 15, 2004, 3:34 pm
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Originally Posted by GadgetFreak
I also hate the 700. At least on the older RJs there was a 1x2 configuration. I jokingly called the exit row on the single side the CP section. You could almost always get the single side and often the exit as a CP. On the 700 with 2x2 seating that is gone.
Dec 15, 2004, 3:37 pm
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Originally Posted by jhpark
I was on a dash 8 on an AC flight and surprised at how much larger it was than the CRJs.
Why are they going away from the prop planes? Slower? Less safe?
Why are they going away from the prop planes? Slower? Less safe?
Prop planes aren't really that inherently different as far as safety goes, especially modern turboprops. These same modern turboprops are almost as fast as the RJs on segments of, say, 45-90 minutes, and much more efficient. In fact, ASA is looking at the Dash 8-400 for shorter markets where the CRJ-700 isn't economical. On these hour long segments, the turboprop flight time is within ten minutes of the jet.
Dec 16, 2004, 12:44 pm
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Originally Posted by JAXPax
Public perception and capacity has something to do with it. Also incentives from airports wanting "jet" service.
Prop planes aren't really that inherently different as far as safety goes, especially modern turboprops. These same modern turboprops are almost as fast as the RJs on segments of, say, 45-90 minutes, and much more efficient. In fact, ASA is looking at the Dash 8-400 for shorter markets where the CRJ-700 isn't economical. On these hour long segments, the turboprop flight time is within ten minutes of the jet.
Prop planes aren't really that inherently different as far as safety goes, especially modern turboprops. These same modern turboprops are almost as fast as the RJs on segments of, say, 45-90 minutes, and much more efficient. In fact, ASA is looking at the Dash 8-400 for shorter markets where the CRJ-700 isn't economical. On these hour long segments, the turboprop flight time is within ten minutes of the jet.
Dec 16, 2004, 6:05 pm
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Originally Posted by MikeM6090
I really hate to beat the horse that has been beat so bad this past year and I know that nearly everyone on this board has had a comment or 10 about the CRJ's but...I just made a trip FLO-CLT-DAY. And it was miserable. I'm about 6'3, 220 llbs.
Obviously, the trip out was the smaller DASH-8. The connections from CLT to DAY and return were both CRJ 700's. I felt that I was in a can on those connections - literally. The WINDOWS WERE POSITONED LOW ENOUGH FOR A 4 YEAR OLD - maybe! They are about 6 inches lower than older RJ's. There is ZERO headroom not much different than the other RJ's.
My wife, 5'6", sat by the window on the way back and said same thing. You can get a sore neck if you look out the window for 2 minutes. She also hit her head on the storage bin as we left the last leg. (We are not the average twice a year traveller - both GP on US)
When we got on the final leg to FLO, we sat down in the DASH-8 and felt as though we were in first class on mainline. More head room and the window was in a normal position as most aircarft. The guy next to my wife hears us talking and says, "you know, I just got came through CLT yesterday and was on the 700. It is miserable."
Now, before one of you say this has been covered before, I missed it! I have heard all the fussing about the seats, but folks, this aircraft feels like something you would get for your son from the Mattel toy company.
In the end, I would consider taking the extra 20 minutes on this flight in a DASH-8.
Obviously, the trip out was the smaller DASH-8. The connections from CLT to DAY and return were both CRJ 700's. I felt that I was in a can on those connections - literally. The WINDOWS WERE POSITONED LOW ENOUGH FOR A 4 YEAR OLD - maybe! They are about 6 inches lower than older RJ's. There is ZERO headroom not much different than the other RJ's.
My wife, 5'6", sat by the window on the way back and said same thing. You can get a sore neck if you look out the window for 2 minutes. She also hit her head on the storage bin as we left the last leg. (We are not the average twice a year traveller - both GP on US)
When we got on the final leg to FLO, we sat down in the DASH-8 and felt as though we were in first class on mainline. More head room and the window was in a normal position as most aircarft. The guy next to my wife hears us talking and says, "you know, I just got came through CLT yesterday and was on the 700. It is miserable."
Now, before one of you say this has been covered before, I missed it! I have heard all the fussing about the seats, but folks, this aircraft feels like something you would get for your son from the Mattel toy company.
In the end, I would consider taking the extra 20 minutes on this flight in a DASH-8.
Dec 16, 2004, 6:11 pm
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Originally Posted by MikeM6090
I really hate to beat the horse that has been beat so bad this past year and I know that nearly everyone on this board has had a comment or 10 about the CRJ's but...I just made a trip FLO-CLT-DAY. And it was miserable. I'm about 6'3, 220 llbs.
Obviously, the trip out was the smaller DASH-8. The connections from CLT to DAY and return were both CRJ 700's. I felt that I was in a can on those connections - literally. The WINDOWS WERE POSITONED LOW ENOUGH FOR A 4 YEAR OLD - maybe! They are about 6 inches lower than older RJ's. There is ZERO headroom not much different than the other RJ's.
My wife, 5'6", sat by the window on the way back and said same thing. You can get a sore neck if you look out the window for 2 minutes. She also hit her head on the storage bin as we left the last leg. (We are not the average twice a year traveller - both GP on US)
When we got on the final leg to FLO, we sat down in the DASH-8 and felt as though we were in first class on mainline. More head room and the window was in a normal position as most aircarft. The guy next to my wife hears us talking and says, "you know, I just got came through CLT yesterday and was on the 700. It is miserable."
Now, before one of you say this has been covered before, I missed it! I have heard all the fussing about the seats, but folks, this aircraft feels like something you would get for your son from the Mattel toy company.
In the end, I would consider taking the extra 20 minutes on this flight in a DASH-8.
Obviously, the trip out was the smaller DASH-8. The connections from CLT to DAY and return were both CRJ 700's. I felt that I was in a can on those connections - literally. The WINDOWS WERE POSITONED LOW ENOUGH FOR A 4 YEAR OLD - maybe! They are about 6 inches lower than older RJ's. There is ZERO headroom not much different than the other RJ's.
My wife, 5'6", sat by the window on the way back and said same thing. You can get a sore neck if you look out the window for 2 minutes. She also hit her head on the storage bin as we left the last leg. (We are not the average twice a year traveller - both GP on US)
When we got on the final leg to FLO, we sat down in the DASH-8 and felt as though we were in first class on mainline. More head room and the window was in a normal position as most aircarft. The guy next to my wife hears us talking and says, "you know, I just got came through CLT yesterday and was on the 700. It is miserable."
Now, before one of you say this has been covered before, I missed it! I have heard all the fussing about the seats, but folks, this aircraft feels like something you would get for your son from the Mattel toy company.
In the end, I would consider taking the extra 20 minutes on this flight in a DASH-8.