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Old Jun 14, 2013, 5:04 am
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UA to be a launch customer for the 787-10?

The WSJ is reporting that UA will be announced as one of the launch customers of the 787-10.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...260626432.html
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Old Jun 14, 2013, 6:56 am
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Great, another UA airplane I'll avoid.

Will they attempt to put 15 across in Y this time?

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Old Jun 14, 2013, 7:27 am
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for the time being i envision :

1. 787-10 for TATL trunk ops
2. 787-8 for long-n-thin new opportunities and replace 767s where CASM gets high
3. 787-9 for optimize existing markets like EWR-BOM, perhaps making it 10x weekly, and potentially open new routes like SFO-MEL
4. A350 for core TPAC ops, mostly based in SFO or NRT.
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Old Jun 14, 2013, 7:58 am
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787-10. I bet the 10 will stand for 10 across in Y
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Old Jun 14, 2013, 8:00 am
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Expect these birds to replace the Hawaiin birds.
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Old Jun 14, 2013, 8:13 am
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Originally Posted by LASUA1K
Expect these birds to replace the Hawaiin birds.
Putting brand new planes on routes where for many routes, it doesn't make economic sense to have flatbed C, given that the new Hawaii 777 config is going to be using the old p.s. C recliners?

I don't buy it.
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Old Jun 14, 2013, 8:14 am
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Can't access the link, shows:

Available to WSJ.com Subscribers

Originally Posted by halls120
The WSJ is reporting that UA will be announced as one of the launch customers of the 787-10.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...260626432.html
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Old Jun 14, 2013, 8:18 am
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Am I the only one just...not that excited? 748, that would be a different story

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Can't access the link, shows:

Available to WSJ.com Subscribers
Just google the story header, and you can access it for free
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Old Jun 14, 2013, 8:29 am
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Originally Posted by eponymous_coward
Putting brand new planes on routes where for many routes, it doesn't make economic sense to have flatbed C, given that the new Hawaii 777 config is going to be using the old p.s. C recliners?

I don't buy it.
787-10 is years away. The Hawaiian birds are 20 years old.
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Old Jun 14, 2013, 9:03 am
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I strongly suspect that this is a Boeing-originated spoiler to distract attention from today's maiden flight of the A350.
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Old Jun 14, 2013, 10:00 am
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Originally Posted by lhrsfo
I strongly suspect that this is a Boeing-originated spoiler to distract attention from today's maiden flight of the A350.
Of course it is. The 787 has a snakebit image today and the A350 is the obvious alternative. Boeing has to rehabilitate the 787 program in a hurry. Announcing a new variant and a big launch order is part of that plan. It's just a shame the order comes from an equally snakebit, failure-prone airline.
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Old Jun 14, 2013, 10:04 am
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Originally Posted by BearX220
The 787 has a snakebit image today and the A350 is the obvious alternative.
The two planes are of very different sizes and target very different markets. They aren't really direct alternatives to each other.
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Old Jun 14, 2013, 10:10 am
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Originally Posted by BearX220
Of course it is. The 787 has a snakebit image today and the A350 is the obvious alternative. Boeing has to rehabilitate the 787 program in a hurry. Announcing a new variant and a big launch order is part of that plan. It's just a shame the order comes from an equally snakebit, failure-prone airline.
The A350 is the obvious alternative to what? Right now Airbus isn't making anything at all that effectively competes with the 787-800, and likely won't.

For the other variants, the "image" doesn't matter at all anywhere outside of FlyerTalk ... it's all about the economics.
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Old Jun 14, 2013, 10:12 am
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It also (as noted by the article) coincides nicely with the Paris Air Show in Airbus's backyard starting on Monday. If they can provide firm orders and have a strong showing at the air show, it helps them build back some momentum after the difficult Q1 battery issues.

I imagine that UA is getting a hefty discount being the launch customer of the 787-10 and likely in place of direct compensation for the battery issues (it wouldn't surprise me one bit if ANA or JAL are involved early for the same reason, basically putting the compensation from the battery issues toward 787-10 discounts)
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Old Jun 14, 2013, 10:17 am
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Originally Posted by flyerdude88
It also (as noted by the article) coincides nicely with the Paris Air Show in Airbus's backyard starting on Monday. If they can provide firm orders and have a strong showing at the air show, it helps them build back some momentum after the difficult Q1 battery issues.

I imagine that UA is getting a hefty discount being the launch customer of the 787-10 and likely in place of direct compensation for the battery issues (it wouldn't surprise me one bit if ANA or JAL are involved early for the same reason, basically putting the compensation from the battery issues toward 787-10 discounts)
The days before the Paris show there are always leaked stories like this. Whether they hold true or not isn't important. Just getting the buzz going into Paris is what they are looking for.
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