Should United charge overweight passengers for second seat?
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Should United charge overweight passengers for second seat?
I am watching the Daily Buzz show and they are discussing the show "Airline" and discussing if passengers should pay for two seats if they are overweight. It seems that on one of the shows they ask a passenger that is overweight to first see if they are too big for a seat and then ask him to purchase a second seat.
Does United do this? Should they do this?
On a flight two years ago on Jetblue I had to be seated next to a overweight passenger. Although I was sympathetic with the passenger I had a hard time because the whole flight I was learning out on the aisle. This was flight from SEA to JFK.
Does United do this? Should they do this?
On a flight two years ago on Jetblue I had to be seated next to a overweight passenger. Although I was sympathetic with the passenger I had a hard time because the whole flight I was learning out on the aisle. This was flight from SEA to JFK.
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This has been discussed in great detail in Travelbuzz, it is not a UA specific issue and likely doesn't belong in this forum.
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Originally Posted by GoingAway
This has been discussed in great detail in Travelbuzz, it is not a UA specific issue and likely doesn't belong in this forum.
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Originally Posted by LAX
How is this not UA specific when the OP specifically asked whether UA should charge overweight passengers for an additional seat?
I cannot think of any circumstances surrounding this issue which apply to UA but do not just as equally apply to any and every other commercial airline out there.
This issue really isn't UA-specific.
FWIW, there was quite a long thread in the DL forum about this a few weeks back. Some people believed that all overweight passengers should pay for their seats, others believed that all passengers requiring extra space - disabled, extraordinarily tall or broad - should be financially responsible.
IIRC, there were lots of different levels of sensitivities displayed.
Last edited by ajax; May 13, 2005 at 9:25 am
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Originally Posted by iwebslinger
I am watching the Daily Buzz show and they are discussing the show "Airline" and discussing if passengers should pay for two seats if they are overweight. It seems that on one of the shows they ask a passenger that is overweight to first see if they are too big for a seat and then ask him to purchase a second seat.
Does United do this? Should they do this?
Does United do this? Should they do this?
Absolutely they should do this! When you pay your fare you are purchasing transportation from point A to point B within the the confines of a given space (31" - 35" of pitch and 17" - 18" of width for Y). UA charges more for people who want to sit in F and domestic F's main benefit is greater space (it certainly isn't the food) so why shouldn't they charge more for passengers who occupy 1 1/2 seats?
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Originally Posted by izzik
Definitely TravelBuzz. Wrong forum.
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The whole issue just opens an uncontrollable dimension of complexity, especially
for a large carrier like UA.
Who would decide what overweight is? The check-in with test chairs in 2 or
possibly all the classes? To use a scale and impose a weight limit - even though
weight is only remotely linked to space allocation?
The fact is that at the stage when all involved notice that the pax will not
fit into the seat, it already is quite late to charge them. Worse, the plane might
be full and nothing can be done whatsoever.
I too favour the two seat allocation and charge over the current laisser faire
approach (such as a FA on LX asking me to lift the armrest so that the pax
going to be in the seat next to me would fit into the seat) but I do not see
how it could be implemented.
On top of technical requirements and standards, it might also involve legal
issues - if someone can claim that they are overweight due to medical reasons
and local legislation prohibiting discrimination of handicapped people.
I understand why airlines do not push hard for a procedure in this issue.
for a large carrier like UA.
Who would decide what overweight is? The check-in with test chairs in 2 or
possibly all the classes? To use a scale and impose a weight limit - even though
weight is only remotely linked to space allocation?
The fact is that at the stage when all involved notice that the pax will not
fit into the seat, it already is quite late to charge them. Worse, the plane might
be full and nothing can be done whatsoever.
I too favour the two seat allocation and charge over the current laisser faire
approach (such as a FA on LX asking me to lift the armrest so that the pax
going to be in the seat next to me would fit into the seat) but I do not see
how it could be implemented.
On top of technical requirements and standards, it might also involve legal
issues - if someone can claim that they are overweight due to medical reasons
and local legislation prohibiting discrimination of handicapped people.
I understand why airlines do not push hard for a procedure in this issue.
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Originally Posted by ajax
This is not UA-specific, since any kind of debate - moral, financial or otherwise - could and should just as easily be applied to every other airline.
I cannot think of any circumstances surrounding this issue which apply to UA but do not just as equally apply to any and every other commercial airline out there.
This issue really isn't UA-specific.
FWIW, there was quite a long thread in the DL forum about this a few weeks back. Some people believed that all overweight passengers should pay for their seats, others believed that all passengers requiring extra space - disabled, extraordinarily tall or broad - should be financially responsible.
IIRC, there were lots of different levels of sensitivities displayed.
I cannot think of any circumstances surrounding this issue which apply to UA but do not just as equally apply to any and every other commercial airline out there.
This issue really isn't UA-specific.
FWIW, there was quite a long thread in the DL forum about this a few weeks back. Some people believed that all overweight passengers should pay for their seats, others believed that all passengers requiring extra space - disabled, extraordinarily tall or broad - should be financially responsible.
IIRC, there were lots of different levels of sensitivities displayed.
LAX
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Originally Posted by iwebslinger
IDoes United do this? Should they do this?
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interesting reactions...
I've gotten notes that this doesn;t belong in UA and that it does - based on many other threads over the years about this issue on TravelBiuzz and airlie -specific boards, I've seen that these discussions USUALLY decompensate into very polaraized discussions that eventually go overboard..
HOWEVER the OP has raised the question of whether UAL does this or not - which is a legitimate question. AFAIK they do NOT make overweight people buy two seats.
As to whether UAL SHOULD charge more - - if folks want to confine the discussion to this issue and keep it civil I see no reason why it shouldn't stay here...
thanks
Squeakr
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HOWEVER the OP has raised the question of whether UAL does this or not - which is a legitimate question. AFAIK they do NOT make overweight people buy two seats.
As to whether UAL SHOULD charge more - - if folks want to confine the discussion to this issue and keep it civil I see no reason why it shouldn't stay here...
thanks
Squeakr
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They absolutely should. Especially on Ted.
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Thank you moderator
Originally Posted by squeakr
I've gotten notes that this doesn;t belong in UA and that it does - based on many other threads over the years about this issue on TravelBiuzz and airlie -specific boards, I've seen that these discussions USUALLY decompensate into very polaraized discussions that eventually go overboard..
HOWEVER the OP has raised the question of whether UAL does this or not - which is a legitimate question. AFAIK they do NOT make overweight people buy two seats.
As to whether UAL SHOULD charge more - - if folks want to confine the discussion to this issue and keep it civil I see no reason why it shouldn't stay here...
thanks
Squeakr
MOD UAL
HOWEVER the OP has raised the question of whether UAL does this or not - which is a legitimate question. AFAIK they do NOT make overweight people buy two seats.
As to whether UAL SHOULD charge more - - if folks want to confine the discussion to this issue and keep it civil I see no reason why it shouldn't stay here...
thanks
Squeakr
MOD UAL
American Southwest and Delta at roundtable with Overweight people group in 2002
United was not represented.
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Originally Posted by iwebslinger
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I was once stuck next to a passenger of size for a transcon flight. He definitely could not fit between the armrests. He also did not have his seatbelt on for the whole flight. (I did not realize he did not have his seatbelt on until we were at the gate. He intentionally covered his body with his belongings so that no one could tell he did not have his seat belt on)
I thought about saying something to the FA about the fact that he couldn't fit inbetween the armrests, and I was really uncomfortable. However I also did not want to cause this man any embarassment. What would you guys have done if you were in my situation?
I thought about saying something to the FA about the fact that he couldn't fit inbetween the armrests, and I was really uncomfortable. However I also did not want to cause this man any embarassment. What would you guys have done if you were in my situation?