Premier Coach Seating on Lufthansa for United Premier Exec
#16
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Originally Posted by House
The reason for this has traditionally been that the seats in the cabin can be converted, by means of pulling a few levers, from 5 across (Business Class) to 6 across (Economy class - same seat pitch). This allowed the airline to keep selling expensive business class seats until the last possible moment, and moving the divider curtain with economy further and further back (on some flights you can see 15+ rows of business class on an A320).
If they were to preallocate seating in economy they would lose the flexibility, or alternatively those allocating seats would often find themselves bumped to a middle seat at the back.
If they were to preallocate seating in economy they would lose the flexibility, or alternatively those allocating seats would often find themselves bumped to a middle seat at the back.
#17
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Originally Posted by transpac
I am 1.98m and this has gotten me jack do-do with regards to an exit row seat in Y on LH prior to check-in (note that I am a Senator on LH M&M). Prior to making 1P and 1K, I did not have any luck pre-confirming an exit row in Y, and I was tall then. Couldn't anyone send a fax saying they were tall? Nothing the OP posted indicates that they might be talll, freakishly or otherwise.
What amazed me even more was that the rest of the folks in the Y cabin seemed to be happy for us
#18
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Originally Posted by mcg1000
Air New Zealand also reserves exit rows for its Premier members, but recently let me snag one in advance with United 2P. (Although I was actually at the city ticket office and was looming over the agent at my usual 6'6" )
Now if only those seat reservations will stick around until December, I'll be a happy person. As much as I would like to see standardized benefits across all the Star carriers, I'm not about to complain if one will let me pre-book an exit row.
#19
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Thanks for your guidance. I'll try and call again to see if I can get a better seta. Else will take my chances at Airport Checkin.
#20
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Originally Posted by GeorgeF
...When I asked for an EE seat I was asked by a check-in agent how tall I was and that I should stop again at the gate...
Given the very limited duration of intra Europe flights, I guess that exit row allocation problem is not a really severe one.
#21
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Originally Posted by weero
It is still more humane than to auction or sell them as Virgin Atlantic and Virgin Blue do.
Originally Posted by GeorgeF
The gate agent assigned me the seat and guess what... the whole row were guys (and a gal) 190cm or above. The Englishman next to me started joking about BA Tall People Club
#22
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I recently flew the UA codeshre on LH CPT-JNB-FRA. Although I'm not a UA elite, I was flying in full-Y and was told by LH that because of my fare class I could get a exit row upon check-in, as they were only allocated then. So, I check in early in CPT (keep in mind, this is still 6+ hours before any of the JNB passengers check-in) and was told that all of the exit rows are taken. Yet, the exit row seats remained empty until we reached JNB.
#23
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Originally Posted by House
The way to get a good seat with LH is to ... check in at your originating airport in the US (because you effectively check in 9 to 12 hours before everyone else).
#24
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Originally Posted by mcg1000
It might be worth trying a different agent as I think "cross-pollination" on Star carriers is increasing. Not sure how strict LH is but Air New Zeland also reserves exit rows for its Premier members, but recently let me snag one in advance with United 2P. (Although I was actually at the city ticket office and was looming over the agent at my usual 6'6" ). Speaking of which, if you are tall, I've found that a politely worded fax to the airline explaining that you are among that freakish percentage of the population that is over six feet has always secured me an exit row. Even on United when I didn't have status.
However, LH is a completely different matter. Even as a 1K, the LH telephone reservations staff refuse to allow me to select an economy seat reserved for their elite flyers. As a result, I have had no qualms about cancelling a couple of intercontinental trips with them, and it will put me off booking with them in the future.
#25
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Originally Posted by HeadInTheClouds
If checking in with UA for an onward LH codeshare flight though, I've always thought the UA agent has no control over the seat assignment at all.
SQ and TG generally are completely uncapable of giving you a boarding pass at all. Which is particularly convenient where I live, as TG acts as LH there.
There is also the 24 rule: no boarding pass can be issued for an ongoing flight, if it is not within [0 - 24] hours from the time of issueing. This has no consequence for the US-Europe market but flying from Australua leads to all kind of troube. SYD-SFO e.g. arrives before it takes off on the calender and hence you often cannot get passes for the ongoing flights. UA overrides this for their connections but not if it is a LH connection.
#26
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Originally Posted by House
BMI now allow seat assignments in coach.
FWIW, Iberia also allows coach seat assignments.
#27
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Just wondering what people consider "premium" seating on Lufthansa anyway, since there isn't an economy plus or the like. Exit rows, sure, but there aren't THAT many of those to go around, and I would wager that elite members' demand outstrips that supply easily.
Seatguru.com, for all its glory, does not include Lufthansa seat information. Seatexpert.com just gives a copy of the seat maps, without comment.
Seatguru.com, for all its glory, does not include Lufthansa seat information. Seatexpert.com just gives a copy of the seat maps, without comment.
#28
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Originally Posted by cakobau
Just wondering what people consider "premium" seating on Lufthansa anyway, since there isn't an economy plus or the like. Exit rows, sure, but there aren't THAT many of those to go around, and I would wager that elite members' demand outstrips that supply easily.
Seatguru.com, for all its glory, does not include Lufthansa seat information. Seatexpert.com just gives a copy of the seat maps, without comment.
Seatguru.com, for all its glory, does not include Lufthansa seat information. Seatexpert.com just gives a copy of the seat maps, without comment.
Suggest you go to ITN or similar and go through a booking process on LH, say SFO-FRA-SFO. Check out the seat maps, which will show the many seats reserved for LH elites only.
Regards,
bud.
#29
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Originally Posted by cakobau
Just wondering what people consider "premium" seating on Lufthansa anyway...
Originally Posted by Budley
Even as a 1K, the LH telephone reservations staff refuse to allow me to select an economy seat reserved for their elite flyers.
The LH imperial standard procedure is to deny any request by claiming a) you are not a worthy customer, b) you have a cheap fare, and c) it is too busy today.
I had a negotioation with a lounge agent last month going like this (no joke):
"We reserve the bullheads for our frequent flyers"
"I am a SEN"
"there are others who fly much, much more than you do sir"
"there is no status beyond SEN yet, so please give me that seat"
"on a grey market discount fare, we can't do that, I am soooo sorry"
"this is a 2000 EUR full fare purchased from LH"
"it is still a discounted ticket"
"would you please read the fare base, it states B, it is a full fare, now can I have that seat"
"have you any idea how big this airport (FRA) is and how many people ask for special treatments?"
You may tell that I gave up at this stage and wrote a letter of complaint to LH...
#30
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Originally Posted by weero
"have you any idea how big this airport (FRA) is and how many people ask for special treatments?"
You may tell that I gave up at this stage and wrote a letter of complaint to LH...
You may tell that I gave up at this stage and wrote a letter of complaint to LH...
I had an experience at a French airport last year where an LH agent upgraded my H class economy reservation from FRA to BKK to D class on presentation of my SWU. No questions asked, no ifs or buts...
Sometimes things can go better than you think if you just act dumb and smile!