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Old May 6, 2015, 8:04 pm
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Any insight on the 20,000 feet plunge of UA949 today? (likely bad reported data)

Hi Guys, I came across the track log of UA949 today. It looks scary to me the 20000 feet plunge happened in minutes at around 2pm. Here is the track log linkhttp://flightaware.com/live/flight/U.../KORD/tracklogPlease shed some light on this, I cant imagine what happened on the deck...
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Old May 6, 2015, 8:14 pm
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Originally Posted by supertrouper
Hi Guys, I came across the track log of UA949 today. It looks scary to me the 20000 feet plunge happened in minutes at around 2pm. Here is the track log linkhttp://flightaware.com/live/flight/U.../KORD/tracklogPlease shed some light on this, I cant imagine what happened on the deck...
One of two things happened:

- It plunged 20,000 feet, but then also managed to regain those 20,000 feet within mere seconds

- The data is wrong
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Old May 6, 2015, 8:41 pm
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Wouldn't this be all over the news if true? I can find nothing.
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Old May 6, 2015, 8:48 pm
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Originally Posted by villox
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- The data is wrong
near certainty it is this

The hint is >10K feet/minute descend followed by a 10K foot/minute climb a few minutes later. Not sure commercial jets can even climb anywhere near that rate. And normal climb rates are 2K or lower.

Maybe we should start a thread on bad data

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unite...g-lga-den.html
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Old May 6, 2015, 8:50 pm
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Originally Posted by villox
- It plunged 20,000 feet, but then also managed to regain those 20,000 feet within mere seconds
Assuming the data is right it was down low for about 6 mins, more than mere seconds. Curious if its a data issue or the plane ran into problems. I also wonder if it was going to divert due to weather or for some other reason as the plunge occurred around Toronto.
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Old May 6, 2015, 9:27 pm
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Originally Posted by mh3265a
Assuming the data is right it was down low for about 6 mins, more than mere seconds. Curious if its a data issue or the plane ran into problems. I also wonder if it was going to divert due to weather or for some other reason as the plunge occurred around Toronto.
Here are two consecutive rows from the detailed track:

Wed 01:58:42 PM 48.3833 -77.1833 233° Southwest 430 495 38,000 -10,314 Level Montreal Center

Wed 01:59:43 PM 43.6833 -76.6833 176° South 440 506 17,200 -11,603 Descending Toronto Center

Within one minute, the flight would have dropped 20,000 feet, changed direction substantially, and traveled 326 (statute) miles:

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=48.3833...33+N+76.6833+W

Now, you could argue that the first two are possible. The third clearly is not. This is simply some bad data from the Toronto center.
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Old May 6, 2015, 9:45 pm
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Looks like bad data from Toronto Center.

The Canadians have had a hard time correctly identifying aircraft lately when transiting between centers. I think someone between them and us is mixing up the SSR transponder codes.

We're correctly filtering out most of them, but some slip through.
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Old May 6, 2015, 10:32 pm
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Thanks for all the comments! Very good education for me^
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Old May 7, 2015, 4:48 am
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Any insight on the 20,000 feet plunge of UA949 today? (likely bad reported data)

3) aliens!
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Old May 7, 2015, 5:09 am
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3) aliens!
Bingo !!
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Old May 7, 2015, 4:03 pm
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Maybe Delta did it first and UA had to follow.
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Old May 7, 2015, 7:03 pm
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Bingo !!
Aliens. My thought exactly.
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Old May 7, 2015, 9:21 pm
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Originally Posted by mduell
Looks like bad data from Toronto Center.

The Canadians have had a hard time
Curse you, metric system!
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