Why not a Real Premium Economy?
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AA only covers about 10% of UA's longhaul (I picked 7h block time as my cutoff) routes; DL only covers about 5%. So unless you do some domestic connecting in Y, there's not much head to head here.
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Fair enough. But with AA, AC, AF, BA, CX, DL, LH, NH, SG and SK all offering a real PE, there is virtually nowhere I expect to fly that puts me in the position of not having a PE alternative.
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I've enjoyed my time with UA, and hope to see my first Polaris hard product some day. But until they bring the A350 on board, my Y flying on UA will decrease at the same rate they convert the 772s to 10 across.
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So, for the foreseeable future, Delta will only offer PE on A350s, 777s, and (presumably) A330neos.
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But even ex-SFO, there is not a single overseas trip I have taken EVER where United did not have competition direct competition, and usually there are more than 2 airlines flying the route. (e.g. LHR, NRT, HKG).
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And to ADD, AA and DL are only adding PE to longhaul planes, and except OD traffic pax will have to connect (and have a choice).
Even when I flew out of CO superhub at IAH there was almost always a connection. Even the few years when I flew for work (OK, I was starting my switch from CO to UA via flights on US), and that was ALL domestic (even my one and only work trip to Canada - they made me fly to Spokane and rent a car from there )
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This thread has been very quiet recently. Someone on another thread claimed that United would offer PE in 2018 (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/28821349-post99.html). If the claim is true, the number of E+ seats on widebody will be reduced. I can assume that GPU upgrade to business will be kept. I would guess that the unsold PE seats would go to the high-fare Premier members regardless their status.
Happy speculating!
Happy speculating!
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Maybe. Maybe only for some fare classes. Maybe not at all.
I doubt this.
It will be sold as a separate cabin if it happens. The occasional OpUp may come along but I wouldn't expect that to be frequent.
I do agree it likely that the product will be rolled out. Has to happen for the company to remain competitive. A shame it missed on the 77Ws.
It will be sold as a separate cabin if it happens. The occasional OpUp may come along but I wouldn't expect that to be frequent.
I do agree it likely that the product will be rolled out. Has to happen for the company to remain competitive. A shame it missed on the 77Ws.
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This thread has been very quiet recently. Someone on another thread claimed that United would offer PE in 2018 (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/28821349-post99.html). If the claim is true, the number of E+ seats on widebody will be reduced. I can assume that GPU upgrade to business will be kept. I would guess that the unsold PE seats would go to the high-fare Premier members regardless their status.
Happy speculating!
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1 - I hope that GPU from Y to J would be permitted, but I have severe doubts. I expect that GPUs will be one-class upgrades only. I further expect that discount PE will not be eligible for GPU upgrades. I don't think they'll announce it all at once; they'll wait until they have PE across more of the plane before they start to cut back benefits. Watch what DL and AA do.
2 - I doubt that there will be CPUs to PE seats. They will do op-ups if necessary, and those will probably go first by status and then by fare, as they do today. The mantra will be, "if you want PE, buy PE."
3 - I expect that they will introduce PE awards, and, within 2-3 years, there will be a *A PE award class. The number of miles needed for J awards will increase when the PE awards are made available.
Basically, PE represents a return to three-class service. If you ignore the name and think of PE as "business class" and J as "first class," I think that you have a pretty good idea of what the future will be.
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Drastically reduced... it will cause problems with booking close in for E+ and SDC etc - Also, I'm guessing that golds will lose E+ until checkin (but I think that will happen anyway).
Let's see - I'll give it 50/50 that the current upgrade instrument formula remains the same after PE is rolled out.
Let's see - I'll give it 50/50 that the current upgrade instrument formula remains the same after PE is rolled out.
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Actually, I would expect PE to siphon demand from Polaris Business and see an equal reduction (or more) of Polaris than E+.
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Of course E+ will remain as-is on domestically-configured aircraft, so I'd imagine Gold access at booking will be unchanged on those routes.
Nope, not gonna happen. The whole point of Polaris was that it maintained the exact same cabin density as BF. They'd never shrink the cabin size based on mere speculation that PE might sell better.