UA to retire 22 757s in 2013 -- feelings on this action?
Jan 28, 2013, 12:58 pm
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Absolutely not hyperbole. 
I'm a fairly skinny guy, and it was a royal pain making it back to the lavs on the 738 I was on a couple of weeks ago. Every pax who came out of one of the two lavs at the back had to return to their seat, squeezing past pax waiting in line. This usually meant acrobatics or imposing oneself into the personal space of seated pax along the aisles.
Yeah, the 739 has lavs at the front; I'd forgotten that (and I said upfront that I wasn't sure that was the case with the 739, thank you very much). The other 737s in the fleet do not, and I expect the aisle width is the same even in the 739.
I'm a fairly skinny guy, and it was a royal pain making it back to the lavs on the 738 I was on a couple of weeks ago. Every pax who came out of one of the two lavs at the back had to return to their seat, squeezing past pax waiting in line. This usually meant acrobatics or imposing oneself into the personal space of seated pax along the aisles.
Yeah, the 739 has lavs at the front; I'd forgotten that (and I said upfront that I wasn't sure that was the case with the 739, thank you very much). The other 737s in the fleet do not, and I expect the aisle width is the same even in the 739.
What you are describing above is typical of any single-aisle aircraft. Not sure why you believe the 752 is different and this is a step backwards.
Jan 28, 2013, 1:05 pm
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to loss of F seats.
Jan 28, 2013, 1:06 pm
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Oh, and don't forget that many of the 737's still don't have E+. And likely won't for years to come; half of UA's deliveries last year were without E+, and you think Jeff is going to pay for a refit just to put in E+? No way, it'll have to wait a few years until the first mid-life service comes around.
Jan 28, 2013, 1:11 pm
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Oh, and don't forget that many of the 737's still don't have E+. And likely won't for years to come; half of UA's deliveries last year were without E+, and you think Jeff is going to pay for a refit just to put in E+? No way, it'll have to wait a few years until the first mid-life service comes around.
Jan 28, 2013, 1:13 pm
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Jan 28, 2013, 1:13 pm
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(just idly curious ...)
Jan 28, 2013, 1:16 pm
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I flew in economy on a 739 last week from LAX to SFO and about 6 months ago from IAH to DCA, both with the new Boeing interior. I also flew in first class in December from EWR to SFO. Still subject to individual preference, I felt that the seats in both classes were comfortable and sufficiently similar to PMUA's seating options. The new sky interior was nice (not sure if I personally go for the new look), but I'm not adverse to it. All the seats had access to power outlets and DirectTV, which, I feel, is better than watching the overheads on UAs 757s. The 739s will soon be outfitted with WIFI, which I feel has much more value than Direct TV.
It seems as though there are certain individuals who are hell-bent on United management.
Perhaps the real cause for the upset is are fewer upgrade opportunities.
I'm a fan of the 757 myself for a number of reasons already mentioned, but we mustn't pretend that our preference for one aircraft type over another is a crucial factor for United, such that they keep older, less fuel-efficient and more error prone 757s flying.
To the average consumer, traveling .2 mach slower, having better takeoff performance and flying a thousand feet higher are negligible. What will impact their experience is the 739's advance in flight technology and passenger comfort. They'll have a choice in TV programming, access to power and WIFI (as it's rolled out across the fleet), larger overhead bins, and for some a really cool interior look and feel.
The bottom line is that 757s aren't as fuel efficient. Fuel costs money and represents United's single greatest cost. Would you rather have United stick with the 757s and pass on the costs of greater fuel efficiency to you in the form of higher ticket costs?
It seems as though there are certain individuals who are hell-bent on United management.
Perhaps the real cause for the upset is are fewer upgrade opportunities.
I'm a fan of the 757 myself for a number of reasons already mentioned, but we mustn't pretend that our preference for one aircraft type over another is a crucial factor for United, such that they keep older, less fuel-efficient and more error prone 757s flying.
To the average consumer, traveling .2 mach slower, having better takeoff performance and flying a thousand feet higher are negligible. What will impact their experience is the 739's advance in flight technology and passenger comfort. They'll have a choice in TV programming, access to power and WIFI (as it's rolled out across the fleet), larger overhead bins, and for some a really cool interior look and feel.
The bottom line is that 757s aren't as fuel efficient. Fuel costs money and represents United's single greatest cost. Would you rather have United stick with the 757s and pass on the costs of greater fuel efficiency to you in the form of higher ticket costs?
Jan 28, 2013, 1:21 pm
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I flew in economy on a 739 last week from LAX to SFO and about 6 months ago from IAH to DCA, both with the new Boeing interior. I also flew in first class in December from EWR to SFO. Still subject to individual preference, I felt that the seats in both classes were comfortable and sufficiently similar to PMUA's seating options. The new sky interior was nice (not sure if I personally go for the new look), but I'm not adverse to it. All the seats had access to power outlets and DirectTV, which, I feel, is better than watching the overheads on UAs 757s. The 739s will soon be outfitted with WIFI, which I feel has much more value than Direct TV.
It seems as though there are certain individuals who are hell-bent on United management.
Perhaps the real cause for the upset is are fewer upgrade opportunities.
I'm a fan of the 757 myself for a number of reasons already mentioned, but we mustn't pretend that our preference for one aircraft type over another is a crucial factor for United, such that they keep older, less fuel-efficient and more error prone 757s flying.
To the average consumer, traveling .2 mach slower, having better takeoff performance and flying a thousand feet higher are negligible. What will impact their experience is the 739's advance in flight technology and passenger comfort. They'll have a choice in TV programming, access to power and WIFI (as it's rolled out across the fleet), larger overhead bins, and for some a really cool interior look and feel.
The bottom line is that 757s aren't as fuel efficient. Fuel costs money and represents United's single greatest cost. Would you rather have United stick with the 757s and pass on the costs of greater fuel efficiency to you in the form of higher ticket costs?
It seems as though there are certain individuals who are hell-bent on United management.
Perhaps the real cause for the upset is are fewer upgrade opportunities.
I'm a fan of the 757 myself for a number of reasons already mentioned, but we mustn't pretend that our preference for one aircraft type over another is a crucial factor for United, such that they keep older, less fuel-efficient and more error prone 757s flying.
To the average consumer, traveling .2 mach slower, having better takeoff performance and flying a thousand feet higher are negligible. What will impact their experience is the 739's advance in flight technology and passenger comfort. They'll have a choice in TV programming, access to power and WIFI (as it's rolled out across the fleet), larger overhead bins, and for some a really cool interior look and feel.
The bottom line is that 757s aren't as fuel efficient. Fuel costs money and represents United's single greatest cost. Would you rather have United stick with the 757s and pass on the costs of greater fuel efficiency to you in the form of higher ticket costs?
Jan 28, 2013, 1:24 pm
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Perhaps instead of drive-by posting, you could explain which part of this is false? According to this site, which is unofficial but widely relied on by this forum, half the 2012 deliveries had no E+ and I haven't read anything about refit plans in the immediate future.
Jan 28, 2013, 1:30 pm
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United announced an order to purchase 100 Boeing 737 MAX 9 aircraft and 50 Boeing 737-900ER aircraft for delivery beginning in 2013. These new aircraft will allow United to replace older, less-efficient aircraft to reduce fuel and operating costs, enhance the customer experience and maximize network opportunities.
It's not AA's 500 plane order, but it is an order for 50 739s beginning this year.
Jan 28, 2013, 1:31 pm
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Perhaps instead of drive-by posting, you could explain which part of this is false? According to this site, which is unofficial but widely relied on by this forum, half the 2012 deliveries had no E+ and I haven't read anything about refit plans in the immediate future.
The newer aircraft that were delivered without E+ will be retrofitted just like all the other aircraft. You'll notice that the newest aircraft are now being delivered with E+, eliminating the need for this step. But on what basis are you saying they won't do it?
Jan 28, 2013, 1:31 pm
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Absolutely not hyperbole.
I'm a fairly skinny guy, and it was a royal pain making it back to the lavs on the 738 I was on a couple of weeks ago. Every pax who came out of one of the two lavs at the back had to return to their seat, squeezing past pax waiting in line. This usually meant acrobatics or imposing oneself into the personal space of seated pax along the aisles.
Yeah, the 739 has lavs at the front; I'd forgotten that (and I said upfront that I wasn't sure that was the case with the 739, thank you very much). The other 737s in the fleet do not, and I expect the aisle width is the same even in the 739.
I'm a fairly skinny guy, and it was a royal pain making it back to the lavs on the 738 I was on a couple of weeks ago. Every pax who came out of one of the two lavs at the back had to return to their seat, squeezing past pax waiting in line. This usually meant acrobatics or imposing oneself into the personal space of seated pax along the aisles.
Yeah, the 739 has lavs at the front; I'd forgotten that (and I said upfront that I wasn't sure that was the case with the 739, thank you very much). The other 737s in the fleet do not, and I expect the aisle width is the same even in the 739.
And yes, I do feel you're deploying hyperbole. "Every passenger . . . squeezing . . . usually meant acrobatics or imposing oneself." I mean did you take a poll of 'every' passenger? Were you so intrigued by the acrobatic feats of others that you had your head turned around for the entire flight so that you in fact witnessed other acrobatic feats? Perhaps United's aspirations to fly a more fuel-efficient jet is all a cover-up to provide a space for future olympians to practice gymnastics on their aircraft.
Jan 28, 2013, 1:33 pm
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https://hub.united.com/en-us/News/Co...-for-2013.aspx
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Jan 28, 2013, 1:35 pm
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Perhaps instead of drive-by posting, you could explain which part of this is false? According to this site, which is unofficial but widely relied on by this forum, half the 2012 deliveries had no E+ and I haven't read anything about refit plans in the immediate future.